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3r 180 ft 7 handed top pair no kicker 3r 180 ft 7 handed top pair no kicker

02-15-2016 , 03:59 PM
    Poker Stars, $3.19 Buy-in (3,000/6,000 blinds, 600 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 7 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37247276

    MP3: 68,875 (11.5 bb)
    CO: 88,856 (14.8 bb)
    BTN: 223,244 (37.2 bb)
    SB: 67,471 (11.2 bb)
    Hero (BB): 198,402 (33.1 bb)
    MP1: 88,692 (14.8 bb)
    MP2: 207,960 (34.7 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with Q 8
    3 folds, CO raises to 12,000, BTN folds, SB calls 9,000, Hero calls 6,000

    Flop: (40,200) 9 J Q (3 players)
    SB checks, Hero checks, CO bets 16,482, SB folds, Hero calls 16,482

    Turn: (73,164) 3 (2 players)
    Hero checks, CO bets 59,774 and is all-in, Hero folds




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    villain is playing 22/18 he seems like a decent reg 57% cbet stat
    on the turn we gotta call 60k to win 133k roughly 2.22:1 so we have to be right 31% of the time.



    some of the other broadways not included are because i think he's shoving some pre like JTs/QJs/KJs at this stack depth though im not 100% sure so i included others like KQs/KTs/QTs. i could potentially see this guy min raise folding a hand like JTo



    vs that range we are essentially breakeven.


    I'm still really unsure about the fold though and also about the range ive assigned him. I only have him bluffing with ATo/ATs combos, maybe TT but unlikely i think. help!!
    02-16-2016 , 05:13 AM
    Personally and this is only my opinion but at this effective stack size I would fold pre.

    yes we are getting good pot odds but our hand will often be dominated and has reverse implied odds and we will be playing oop vs a decent reg. This hand just illustrates this point you have hit the flop pretty hard but still had to fold. What flop are you happy to get it in with 2 pair trips the miracle straight? You are just not going to hit the flop that hard often enougth. When you hit it will be most often be like this. A medium strength hand that cant take pressure.

    I would defend with Q8s or Q10o but with Q8o i will most often fold or I may 3 bet.

    Readless im not raising this to often but i do have steal from co and fold to 3 bet % up on my hud which may sway me onto a squezze play. I may call with q8o if i think player is weak/passive as im more likely either to realize my equity and get one pair hands to showdown or more likely to find a spot to take it away from him.

    As played I would of played it exactly the same. Cant fold to c bet even with his low c bet perc. cant raise as hand is to strong to turn into a bluff, and I would also c/fold to turn shove.

    so many people will call in the bb due to good pot odds yes our hand probably has enougth equity vs his range but I ask myself how often am i going to be able to release that equity playing oop. What about the reverse implied odds of hitting second best hands.

    thi is just my thinking and im no pro.
    02-16-2016 , 08:58 PM
    very good points man. great post

          
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