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3r/180 annoying river early on with KK 3r/180 annoying river early on with KK

08-17-2011 , 09:51 PM
villain is 30/0 and making hands.


Poker Stars $3.19+$0.31 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t50/t100 Blinds - 9 players
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BB: t1500 15 BBs
UTG: t2860 28.60 BBs
Hero (UTG+1): t2905 29.05 BBs
UTG+2: t1200 12 BBs
MP1: t6175 61.75 BBs
MP2: t4090 40.90 BBs
CO: t11035 110.35 BBs
BTN: t2635 26.35 BBs
SB: t3590 35.90 BBs

Pre Flop: (t150) Hero is UTG+1 with K K
1 fold, Hero raises to t225, 3 folds, CO calls t225, 3 folds

Flop: (t600) 8 6 J (2 players)
Hero bets t315, CO calls t315

Turn: (t1230) Q (2 players)
Hero bets t700, CO calls t700

River: (t2630) J (2 players)
Hero ?



Should I b/f 325 or something ridiculous like that and sigh rebuy if he ships?

shoving, c/c, and c/f sucks

Last edited by martin_malin; 08-17-2011 at 10:01 PM.
08-17-2011 , 10:18 PM
Not sure how big your hand sample is, but the villain seems kinda fishy to me. Figure in some % of situations he would raise you on the flop or turn with a jack in his hand. There are tons of fish in the rebuys who could call you the whole way with any pair. I think you have to find a value bet on the river, if he raises, puke, call.
08-17-2011 , 10:19 PM
BTW, wiener dogs FTW
08-17-2011 , 10:22 PM
Well if he is 30/0 shipping most likely my preferred option but i would bet flop and turn bigger so he has an easier call on the river with 1 pair type hands
08-18-2011 , 01:27 AM
Argh I hate this spot. 325/f just looks so weak, he ships on you so often over such a tiny bet.

This means my most preferred option is to 325/c
08-18-2011 , 04:34 AM
i prefer ship, yeah you often lose but this 30/0 will call 8x etc sometimes and occasionally trash you wouldn't believe.. 3r man, donks are even donkey-er then normal.
vs a player who seems less call-y c/fold river is fine because for the reason below they will most of the time just check back worse hands, like crappy pairs. yeah they can bet qx which is kinda lame but not many/if any qx in his range anyway


don't like bet small/induce vs. these players, they don't really turn made hands into bluffs and there aren't really any obvious missed draws/air anyway.
08-18-2011 , 05:03 AM
Why does c/c suck? If you bet you rarely get value from worse, yet if you check -- you get some % of value from busted draws (57,79,Q9), an 8 (A8, 98, T8) maybe even pp such as 77,TT,99.

I would c/(snap)c
08-18-2011 , 07:47 AM
Cant see how this is anything but a shrug ship and rebuy

Playing a likely tard with a big stack during rebuy period with an overpair and 2/3rds psb behind.
08-18-2011 , 08:07 AM
I prefer betting way bigger w/ this type of hand OTF and OTT, cause he's stationed for sure and will call light. Now ship.
08-18-2011 , 11:19 AM
I would prefer betting 75%, all the streets again this guys. The majority of the time he is waiting for an A or a color and he is holding 23s
08-18-2011 , 01:06 PM
Mm, guess a 30/0 is always playing passive, I do like a ship on hindsight, we miss out on huge value every time he just calls our tiny bet rather than the ship with his non-j hands
08-18-2011 , 01:19 PM
I know the standart play is to shove but I just feel we are value-towning ourselves vs Jx more often than the time we get called by 8x/99 or w/e. I guess I'm just underestimating the level of ******ness of villain.
08-18-2011 , 05:59 PM
oh yeah more on flop for sure btw
08-18-2011 , 08:32 PM
block bet/f or c/evaluate bet size
08-18-2011 , 08:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by martin_malin
I know the standart play is to shove but I just feel we are value-towning ourselves vs Jx more often than the time we get called by 8x/99 or w/e. I guess I'm just underestimating the level of ******ness of villain.
shove is awful for exact reasons you say
08-19-2011 , 01:15 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by martin_malin
I guess I'm just underestimating the level of ******ness of villain.
I think you are leveling the situation a bit too much, i could really post a ton of HH from similiar rebuy tournaments just to prove a point that value owning is the last thing you should think about at those stakes against a random opponent.
08-20-2011 , 06:34 PM
For the reason it's rebuy period of 3.50$+R (there are terrible donkeys) and the villain seems weak and random I ship the river. Obviously bet more on the flop.
08-21-2011 , 12:45 AM
1225
08-21-2011 , 02:33 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Glitlr
shove is awful for exact reasons you say
So you are check/folding here?
08-21-2011 , 11:18 AM
I have TN programmed to t225 preflop here aswell, but with the table makeup and the fact it's a rebuy I kind of like taking a really transparent value line on every street, starting with making it about t350 preflop. I'd then be betting t650 OTF which sets us up for a turn shove if we're HU.

The reason for the bigger raise pre is a) it's likely to get paid by the station, and b) there's a bunch of single stacks at the table who are probably bad and may flat to a (near) minraise, but raising bigger is more likely to encourage reshoves. Mainly though, I just want to get my stack in OTT vs the station.
08-22-2011 , 03:32 AM
is this still during rebuy period?
300 pre. bet flop, shove turn.
think c/f river is best here as played but dont really like a balanced line in a 3r. just go for max value vs droolers ffs.
08-22-2011 , 06:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jlevu
So you are check/folding here?
i dnno. check and evaluate bet size/timing i guess

      
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