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09-13-2011 , 05:42 PM

wackyradish

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Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 421

CO is a reg and his range is obv super wide, BTN is a random.

Poker Stars, $32.13 Buy-in (800/1,600 blinds, 150 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 5 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #10566522

BB: 38,068 (23.8 bb)
MP: 8,083 (5.1 bb)
CO: 18,386 (11.5 bb)
BTN: 14,455 (9 bb)
Hero (SB): 10,840 (6.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with T

MP folds, CO raises to 18,236 and is all-in, BTN calls 14,305 and is all-in, Hero calls 9,890 and is all-in, BB folds

Flop: (41,650) Q

(3 players, 3 are all-in)
Turn: (41,650) 8

(3 players, 3 are all-in)
River: (41,650) 4

(3 players, 3 are all-in)

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09-13-2011 , 06:49 PM

OMGClayDol

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Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 11,062

Our stack is really small but I think I make a close dump with ATo.. A random rarely has A9/8/7 etc. Maybe 77 AJo Ats Kqs

09-13-2011 , 08:43 PM

Mikeal_DH

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Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 1,204

EASY FOLD. Its just so much better to either shove over a loose button raiser with the right range of hands, or to open shove.

remember the Gap concept. that you can raise or shove far wider then you can call with. Since AT is a ok shoving hand in certain situations, and is not really a "calling hand" especially in this situation.

09-14-2011 , 02:56 PM

TiltMeHarder

journeyman

Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 214

This is a really close spot imo, bit I'm probably folding.... Then again at the 35$ level, they should be shoving wider, and therefore making me lean towards a call, bleh I dunno

09-14-2011 , 08:24 PM

SandmanNess

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Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,706

it's close. AJ I snap

09-15-2011 , 12:23 AM

Andrew23122

adept

Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 812

First of all what makes you think Co's range is super wide? How do you know?? The BB has him covered for 11.5 BBs so imo hes not super wide at all. So even if its just HU I argue folding A10 here even though its 5-handed. But, when the button calls in front of you its a SNAP FOLD.

09-15-2011 , 12:33 AM

Crystal ExtacY

old hand

Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,346

Horrible call imho, your hand completely loses most of its value as soon as button calls. A10 is deff way ahead of co's shoving range but i dont like a call in a 3 way pot. Aj+ 10's+ to make this a call imo.

09-15-2011 , 01:35 AM

OMGClayDol

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Lol I agreed this is a fold but it's not a horrible call, wtf. If you think AJ is a call then that means AT is very close, so how can it be horrible. I mean I'm probably taking your statement a little too literally but whatever

09-15-2011 , 06:17 AM

SandmanNess

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yeah a one card gap range on a hand makes it close. I don't like calling here, but make the button a good reg and it gets reeeaaallly close. And like I said Aj is getting in there for sure.

09-15-2011 , 06:23 AM

#10

SandmanNess

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew23122

If he's a good reg as the OP stated, then it's fairly easy to know what his range is. All good money making players end up with somewhat close the same ranges in certain spots ( I did say somewhat). At that stack size, it's easy to put a good player on a relatively accurate range. I'd say his range should be close to a6s, k10s, q10s, j10s and those are just easy hands because my range in that spot is wider than that. So a10 plays well against that range.

09-15-2011 , 08:32 AM

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OMGClayDol

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Good regs should be significantly wider than that.. Those are clear jams that pretty much only weak players aren't jamming, imo/tbh/to be blunt etc. Not criticising your post or anything at all btw, and I know you said you are wider.

09-15-2011 , 11:44 AM

#12

Andrew23122

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SandmanNess

True. Not all regs are aggro though, so having stealing percentages in your hud can make A10 folds here possible vs tight regs. Now remember Im talking as if the button folded so once the button re-jams its always a fold with A10 here.

09-15-2011 , 02:26 PM

#13

wackyradish

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Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 421

Quote:

Originally Posted by SandmanNess

a good reg would shove extremly wide in this spot like 55%+ dunno. I agree that it is a close spot and would fold it next time. Thanks for all responses.

09-15-2011 , 02:56 PM

#14

SandmanNess

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agree it's wider than the hands I gave, I'm just not going to post my whole range here, so I picked hands that are "no brainers" so to speak.

09-15-2011 , 03:11 PM

#15

bdaewn

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Folding and feeling pretty good about it, unless I know both are good aggro regs, not just ok regs

09-16-2011 , 04:14 AM

#16

furo

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OMGClayDol

agree with everything and this is really close with a random involved.
vs two agressive regs ATo is a SNAPcall here

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