PokerStars - $3.19+$0.31|100/200 Ante 20 NL - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 17.12 BB (VPIP: 36.00, PFR: 12.00, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 26)
BTN: 19.98 BB (VPIP: 18.95, PFR: 13.58, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 95)
SB: 15.25 BB (VPIP: 17.95, PFR: 17.14, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 40)
BB: 11.56 BB (VPIP: 11.54, PFR: 12.00, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 26)
UTG: 4.15 BB (VPIP: 11.54, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 26)
UTG+1: 18.54 BB (VPIP: 6.67, PFR: 6.67, 3Bet Preflop: 25.00, Hands: 15)
Hero (MP): 26.11 BB

7 players post ante of 0.1 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.2 BB) Hero has J A

fold, fold, Hero raises to 2 BB, fold, fold, SB raises to 15.15 BB and is all-in, fold, fold



Tight fold? im from middle position and player is taggy 80 hands 18/17
0% 3 bet. is my hands just to strong to r/f for 15bb effective. He insta shoved.

with those nitty stats, I'd respect that shove.

If he insta shoved and little info ill just sigh fold. 18/17 is tag and borderline aggro def not nitty

next time shove it here if you're willing to raisefold it,its too strong for raisefold, i think that raisefolding here is a disaster since shove is clearly very much profitable ... i would open it and happycall everyone

Snap. Especially v an multiaccounter.

Im not r/f this vs everyone i would call a shove from the c/o and probably the BB to. Vs this player i feel its close call AQo being a sigh call.
Yeah an open shove is unexploitable and gto +ev. but even with only 20 bb max effective im still trying to play exploitative poker. Maybe i shouldn't be looking at there stats now with the exception of the CO they all look pretty solid.
And why would you be happy to insta call a snap 3 bet from someone who hasnt 3 bet pre in 40 hands?
Also some other considerations -
open shoving is just to high a variance for me. Winning the blinds if people all fold doesn't change the usability of my stack i would still be the biggest stack.
I would probably be behind if called and a loss of 15-20 bb would drastically change my position not just in terms of icm but also in terms of stack utility a big stack near a final table bubble is undervalued by ICM models as doesnt factor bubble pawnage, also approaching the FT. Its nice to have a stack that can ladder if no hands or spots present themselves.
Folding leaves me with 24bb approaching the final table.

well what you reckon sound reasoning or flawed mttsng newbie thinking?

Approaching a final table is something im not used to with stt's. perhaps Ive overvaluing ft bubble pawnage. Its obviously not as valuable as stt 6 max bubble pawnage a payout jump from 0-35% really allows for abuse by a big stack if the midstack opponent is icm aware.

point is, on 180s ( little less on rebuy ) , u wont get much deeper than 20bb on FT ( i would say 15ish bbs is avg stack from lets say 200/400 ).

now wait a second,it says 2 last tables but it says blinds are 100/200 ??

Ooops sorry must of got two hands mixed up. ( maybe i should play for longer then i review lol)

Your right of course this must be earlier in tournament i thought maybe it was a 45 man but ive checked with hrc and it was a 180 man so yeah must be earlier. The table looks very shallow vs the stage don't it?

So ruling out all the value in ft bubble pawnage is r/f here bad vs a plyer who hasnt 3 bet in 80 hands?

Then again looking at the stack depths we could all be lower then the tournament average, i only look at the stacks bb and peeps left vs bubble i dont really look at tournament average. Maybe i should r/c as we are shorter relative to field??? not sure about that?