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10-12-2015 , 09:35 AM

lilantas

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, $3.19 Buy-in (300/600 blinds, 50 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 6 Players
CO: 9,348 (15.6 bb)
BTN: 1,844 (3.1 bb)
SB: 5,750 (9.6 bb)
BB: 4,014 (6.7 bb)
Hero (UTG): 3,778 (6.3 bb)
MP: 7,979 (13.3 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with T

hero?
do you think its shove guys or not???thank you

10-12-2015 , 09:59 AM

Ace Acumen

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def a shove

10-13-2015 , 03:56 AM

LektorAJ

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For this type of question I usually use Nash Calculator (free online) and adjust the answer depending on reads. Before the final table most people set the payouts as 1 - i.e. winner takes all.

Though with AT here reads don't matter much. If some people are calling really tight then great you fold out AJ, if they are calling really loose then great you get value from more Ace-rag, so as long as AT is a Nash push you will be fine. Reads are more important when you are jamming 87s and you know you will be behind and how much fold equity you have is crucial.

10-13-2015 , 06:16 AM

SLOUMA28

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I think it is a shove with 6bb but what about a good range to shove here?

10-13-2015 , 07:47 AM

LektorAJ

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If people play as Chip EV we get

27.9%, 22+ A2s+ A3o+ K7s+ KTo+ Q9s+ QJo J8s+ T8s+ 98s 87s

HoldemResources Nash Results

If we simulate laddering/ICM pressure by pretending this is a 5-3-2 STT then we get

23.1%, 22+ A2s+ A8o+ K8s+ KTo+ Q8s+ QJo J8s+ T8s+ 98s

10-13-2015 , 08:34 AM

SLOUMA28

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Tx lektorAJ,
So the dif is the 87o dont you think we can add JTo here?
I have to start thinking more about that!!
can we calculate if someone enter the pot already (limp or raise)?

10-13-2015 , 08:48 AM

lilantas

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Quote:

Originally Posted by LektorAJ

lector idont understand this If we simulate laddering/ICM pressure by pretending this is a 5-3-2 STT then we get

23.1%, 22+ A2s+ A8o+ K8s+ KTo+ Q8s+ QJo J8s+ T8s+ 98s

10-13-2015 , 12:20 PM

LektorAJ

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That if this was a single table tournament, and the pay outs were 50%, 30%, 20% then we would have to push tighter.

Not everyone agrees with me but I think that FT2 of a 45 man is not like a winner takes all tournament so I prefer to use ranges from a situation with ICM pressure.

JTo is not such a good all-in hand compared to some of the mid suited connectors.

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