PokerStars - $3.30+$0.20|150/300 Ante 25 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 17.63 BB (VPIP: 42.86, PFR: 12.20, 3Bet Preflop: 5.56, Hands: 42)
BB: 19.88 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
UTG: 1.18 BB (VPIP: 23.81, PFR: 12.82, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 42)
UTG+1: 24.3 BB (VPIP: 19.05, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 42.86, Hands: 21)
MP: 22.89 BB (VPIP: 29.19, PFR: 25.08, 3Bet Preflop: 7.27, Hands: 386)
Hero (MP+1): 27.21 BB
CO: 32.12 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 18.18, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)
BTN: 29.54 BB (VPIP: 23.81, PFR: 21.95, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 42)

8 players post ante of 0.08 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.17 BB) Hero has 3 A

UTG raises to 1.1 BB and is all-in, fold, fold, Hero calls 1.1 BB, fold, fold, SB calls 0.6 BB, BB calls 0.1 BB

Flop: (5.05 BB, 4 players) 2 T T
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: (5.05 BB, 4 players) K
SB checks, BB bets 2 BB,

I would say half-pot it - to maybe 6.5 BB. He will call with anything that was ever going to put more money in anyway and you set up a 12 BB effective shove into 17BB on the river for the rest of his stack.

If he has a full house then it's pretty unlucky.

I made it slightly less to 6bb.I think it was a little small (reason for post) but obviously not all that bad. King on river gave me the third best hand. but it went check check on river.

Villain had a ten I'm thinking I'm only getting called on turn by 10x or boats well boats are just meh and I'm thinking he will call maybe more with 10x? Maybe even 7.5BB?

Obviously if I'm right and most of his calling range that we beat is so strong I'm thinking I could bet the 7.5bb.

It would of cost me more as it turns out but don't want that to hinder my analysis.

They can get stubborn with a turned K or flush draw - and they can also have a lower flush.

We particularly want to keep the lower flush draws in so the smaller bet is fine - there is no hurry when it sets us up to get stacks in on the river most of the time.

Would be isolating this pre. Would also be betting flop. Turn sizing is probably fine depending what you are also doing with the rest of your range.

yeah I knew someone would say iso pre that's why I mentioned it in the title.

My iso's have been attacked a lot recently when I'm isoing a utg a2c villain. I also have noticed the exploitative raises from regs where they 3 bet my iso knowing I have a wide isoing range and I have to fold a large amount and they then have shown some very week cards which they now have a freeroll against the utg a2c subsides by my donation (iso).

I'm probably to mindfull of this new reg tendency and not isoing may be an overadjustment.

If you are noticing you are being exploited then you can a) tighten up your ISO range (Axs seems fine here though) and b) expand your 4-betting range where applicable.

I wouldn't bet flop - we are not ahead of UTG enough (e.g. his pairs or better aces) so we're just bluffing his opponents out not ours. If we hit an A or we want a lot of players to still be in.

lol. How can Ax with nut flushdraw not be ahead vs anytwo cards there?

edit: I would also iso pre. As played, 33% sizing with range here.

as regards b. yeah I am making this adjustment where applicable but here stack sizes are not sufficient to iso then 4 bet non al in. And to 4 bet gii or commit will mean my hand will often be in very bad shape when the money goes in.

Also still figuring it out this is an adjustment on reg player pool tendencies not on any read of players left to act. I don't only play MTTSNG so it will take me a long time to establish how prevalent this exploitative behaviour is within player pool and therefore I'm still working on what adjustments if any should be made.

I play pretty low volume nowadays so this occurring to me a few times may not be that significant.

What's others observations on this?

It doesnt matter what happens when you get called. Most of the time, if your reads are correct, you will scoop chips as they 3bet frequency is way too high. If you want to construct good 4bet shoving range, do some work in equilab vs their 3bet/f/c ranges and calculate ev. As a tip I can say that your hand in this example is a perfect one to do it with. Generally, with A2s-A5s and some suited broadways, connectors and small pp, it cant go wrong if they over3bet.

And in your observations are regs over 3 betting in this spots? or is it only a few and we should only adjust when we have that read?

Do you think that's his range? I certainly don't play that way myself just because of the looming BB. But yes, you're right that we are ahead of his range. It doesn't change the argument much though - whether we are ahead or not, the point still stands that when our bluff gets through we still have to run the board out against UTG and the following things can happen:

1) We are initially behind, but "get there" with either the A or - in this case we would rather have still had the other players in so we could get value from them.

2) We are initially behind, and miss - in this case our bluff on the flop was pointless.

3) We are ahead but he hits his 4/5-outer - in this case our bluff on the flop was pointless.

4) We are ahead already and our hand gets even better - such as making top pair or particularly hitting the flush - again in this case we would prefer to still have the other players in.

5) We are ahead, and the turn and the river miss our 12 outs and UTG's 4 additional outs. In this case we're probably pleased that we folded out SB and BB's 4-outers* on the flop - though I'm not even sure about that - if we're willing to put a bet in anyway it might be better to do it against potential bluffs on the turn rather against a stronger range on the flop.

* really they are more like 3-outers as we have a quarter of the deck as a redraw against them

dude, utg has 1bb and is getting in with like 80% of hands here (seems like Ax is ahead preflop vs utg range). bb peels with 90% or something (and iso with strong range). Because bb is on such a wide range he probably has 95% of suited hands here. We are ahead of his range with a high card otf and we are beting Axhh FOR VALUE vs his worse flushdraws. I can't see any logic behind your post, no offence of course.

I think your over estimating how many flush drawers are in villains very wide range. If you say BB is calling for 0.1bb all apart from the hands strong enough to ISO (I used an 8% iso may be a bit tight but meh) then he only has 36 possible xhxh combos ( as we and the board block a fair few) out of 1220 possible combos so he has xhxh only 3% of the time.

I would iso pre. As played agree with wanderer and bet a flop for value/protection (BB should be calling 100% of his range pre) + when we get called this combo I think is one of few we could barel on pretty much any turn as bluff to get to fold 2x (which the villain has got the most of in his range after calling the flop).

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