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01-24-2015 , 01:03 PM

MirZolzayn

old hand

Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 1,998

Poker Stars, $3.16 Buy-in (10/20 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #34406121

MP3: 1,500 (75 bb)
Hero (CO): 1,490 (74.5 bb) - VPIP: 18, PFR: 16, 3B: 7, AF: 2.8
BTN: 1,500 (75 bb)
SB: 1,510 (75.5 bb)
BB: 1,500 (75 bb)
UTG+1: 1,500 (75 bb)
UTG+2: 1,500 (75 bb) - VPIP: 50, PFR: 25, 3B: 0, AF: 0.5
MP1: 1,500 (75 bb)
MP2: 1,500 (75 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q

UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 raises to 60, 3 folds, Hero calls 60, 2 folds, BB calls 40

Flop: (190) 2

(3 players)
BB checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero bets 130, BB folds, UTG+2 calls 130

Turn: (450) 3

(2 players)
UTG+2 checks, Hero bets 381, UTG+2 calls 381

River: (1,212) 4

(2 players)
UTG+2 bets 929 and is all-in, Hero????? #confused

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01-24-2015 , 03:37 PM

LektorAJ

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 7,827

I'm folding here. Unless he is capable of turning a weak made hand into a bluff he always has a stronger hand. Your range includes plenty of hands that can call, like two pair, sets and flushes so you are not exploitable if you fold this. His stats look like a 4 hand sample so are meaningless.

01-24-2015 , 03:52 PM

MirZolzayn

old hand

Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 1,998

Exactly 4 hands, which immediately points to a fish. I just can't see a fish play a hand like this. There's zero chance he is aware of my range.
changes anything for you?

01-24-2015 , 04:35 PM

oldskool87

adept

Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 843

think folding is the best option here also, your just behind here so often, can't be profitable .. i mean only thing your gonna beat is J10 that didn't make it and now decides to jam and the few times he decides to go nuts with Qx and 9x

01-24-2015 , 06:26 PM

mktpppr

grinder

Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 446

I don't like calling 3x raises pre, we'll be in a potentially big multi-way pot without initiative

if we have postflop skills then its ok-ish

preflop: I make a tight fold vs EP 3x

flop: as played, ok

turn: as played, bet smaller to 300

river: as played, nasty, fold

if it wasn't a heart I would say its classic fish play with the nuts

01-24-2015 , 07:08 PM

MirZolzayn

old hand

Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 1,998

Quote:

Originally Posted by mktpppr

there is no way im folding AQs out of one raise from a fish.
post flop skills....

and clearly this hand is here b\c it's a

on the river

01-25-2015 , 02:50 AM

LektorAJ

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 7,827

It's true that a weak player will occasionally show up with tpwk here, but generally they play loose passive and raise more rarely than strong players, so the higher chance he is a fish is a reason to give more respect to the raise not less.

01-26-2015 , 05:15 AM

F0ldz!ll@

journeyman

Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 294

Quote:

Originally Posted by mktpppr

I don't like calling 3x raises pre, we'll be in a potentially big multi-way pot without initiative

preflop: I make a tight fold vs EP 3x

Whuuutttt?

3bet pre ~160
As played sigh fold river

01-26-2015 , 06:32 PM

mktpppr

grinder

Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 446

Quote:

Originally Posted by F0ldz!ll@

Whuuutttt?

3bet pre ~160
As played sigh fold river

are you 3b/folding?

01-27-2015 , 04:42 AM

#10

F0ldz!ll@

journeyman

Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 294

Quote:

Originally Posted by mktpppr

are you 3b/folding?

Actually yes.

Especially in the 3,50 people don't have a 4bet bluffrange here (if they do ever 4bet its extremely rare and we have an easy fold). I think this is the best way to iso the random player, who - in general - calls our 3bets way too light OOP (66+, Axs+, ATo+, (s)broadways). Early we are looking for the easy double up and this might just be the perfect spot for it, since we are playing a random (= not a reg) and have a good hand in pos.

01-28-2015 , 02:38 AM

#11

Mawller

centurion

Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 179

I play a fair few bit of 18 mans..the fish is as likely to have KQ/QJ..any Qx (likelyness of 2 pair, I would call, profitable call in the long run)

That river is such a brick, like what's he trying too rep really? Only thing I could educate a guess for is Q4s..but I'm defo calling this.

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