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.5/45 man - A couple of range spots with 6bb's .5/45 man - A couple of range spots with 6bb's

08-19-2011 , 04:08 AM
what range you push here, no antes?

PokerStars NLHE Tournament, ($3.19+$0.31), t50/t100 blinds, 7 handed, 31%/21%/17%/12%/9%/6%/4% payouts
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{Tournament|PokerStars|3.19|0.31|50|100|0|45 man turbo}
UTG: t771 7.7 BBs{Player|UTG|771|Fold|0}
UTG+1: t2425 24 BBs{Player|UTG+1|2425|Fold|0}
Hero: t633 6.3 BBs{Player|Hero|633|Kc|4c}
CO: t2180 22 BBs{Player|CO|2180|Fold|0}
BTN: t1390 14 BBs{Player|BTN|1390|Fold|0}
SB: t1965 20 BBs{Player|SB|1965|RaiseTo|200|Average|19|13|12|12|14 |13|12|12}
BB: t4136 41 BBs{Player|BB|4136|Fold|0}

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with K4
2 folds, Hero?

Opponent calling ranges when hero pushes:
CO (4.8+), BTN (7.2+), SB (7.2+), BB (21+)


PokerStars NLHE Tournament, ($3.19+$0.31), t50/t100 blinds, 7 handed, 31%/21%/17%/12%/9%/6%/4% payouts
Hand exported from the SitNGo Wizard. How to import this hand into the SitNGo Wizard.
{Tournament|PokerStars|3.19|0.31|50|100|0|45 man turbo}
Hero: t633 6.3 BBs{Player|Hero|633|Qc|Js}
UTG+1: t2180 22 BBs{Player|UTG+1|2180|Fold|0}
UTG+2: t1540 15 BBs{Player|UTG+2|1540|Fold|0}
CO: t2065 21 BBs{Player|CO|2065|Push|2065|Average|13|8|8|8|9|8|8|8 }
BTN: t3986 40 BBs{Player|BTN|3986|Fold|0}
SB: t671 6.7 BBs{Player|SB|671|Fold|0}
BB: t2425 24 BBs{Player|BB|2425|Fold|0}

Preflop: Hero is UTG with QJ
Hero?

Opponent calling ranges when hero pushes:
UTG+1 (4.8+), UTG+2 (5+), CO (4.8+), BTN (6+), SB (17+), BB (21+)

Last edited by auchipod; 08-19-2011 at 09:20 AM.
08-19-2011 , 05:13 AM
First hand is, how I call it, boarder spot. I rather ship it than end up in passing another blinds, second hand is easy shove for me up to 12 BB from every position.
08-19-2011 , 07:22 AM
I'm still folding first, but it's very close and shoving second for sure
08-19-2011 , 07:31 AM
fold 1. hand

shove 2nd all day
08-19-2011 , 07:31 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PAROOVKA
second hand is easy shove for me up to 12 BB from every position.
You ship QJo for 12bb from any position pre ante? That must be -ev. In these Spots with 6bbs you get called pretty wide. So there is not much difference between k4s and Qjo against wide calling ranges.
08-19-2011 , 08:14 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cpt.Hero
You ship QJo for 12bb from any position pre ante? That must be -ev. In these Spots with 6bbs you get called pretty wide. So there is not much difference between k4s and Qjo against wide calling ranges.
+1, e.g. 12bb utg ship QJo pre ante is not +ev, and imo it isn`t even close (ofc considering full table)
08-19-2011 , 08:44 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cpt.Hero
You ship QJo for 12bb from any position pre ante? That must be -ev. In these Spots with 6bbs you get called pretty wide. So there is not much difference between k4s and Qjo against wide calling ranges.
LOL
From BB 250+, so with the ante, I thought about it and didn't mention it. Thanx for that.
08-19-2011 , 09:17 AM
even with ante its massive -ev to ship QJo utg unless you get shorter like 8bbs.
08-19-2011 , 09:29 AM
Prolly ship both, would fold K4o
08-19-2011 , 11:52 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cpt.Hero
even with ante its massive -ev to ship QJo utg unless you get shorter like 8bbs.
Could you, please, explain, why you think so, considering it's turbo SNG?
08-19-2011 , 07:18 PM
Jamming both, hand 1 is a tiny bit closer than hand 2 but still not very close
08-19-2011 , 07:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PAROOVKA
Could you, please, explain, why you think so, considering it's turbo SNG?
because we lose chips in the long run with this play. Qjo is at 20%. Its just -ev to shove it utg for 12bb. Qjs is probably ok nashwise, but we have almost no edge if we shove it.
08-20-2011 , 03:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PAROOVKA
second hand is easy shove for me up to 12 BB from every position.
wut?
08-23-2011 , 10:49 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mckrogh
wut?
Read the entire thread and find out.

      
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