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Old 12-05-2016, 05:52 AM   #1
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$3.5 - 18 man: Shoving 33 late position

I'm thinking this is a bad shove, pushing 33 with more than 10 BB. I think the reason I was willing to push here was because I was sitting in 6th out of 7 players, so I felt some urgency to chip up. Was that the right mindset and move? Or should I have waited for a better spot with my stack?


PokerStars - 100/200 Ante 25 NL - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG+1: 27.16 BB (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 5.88, Hands: 49)
MP: 29.25 BB (VPIP: 30.23, PFR: 21.95, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 43)
CO: 17.84 BB (VPIP: 38.46, PFR: 29.17, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 27)
Hero (BTN): 13.31 BB
SB: 21.96 BB (VPIP: 22.37, PFR: 20.40, 3Bet Preflop: 10.14, Hands: 221)
BB: 17.17 BB (VPIP: 22.92, PFR: 15.22, 3Bet Preflop: 5.26, Hands: 98)
UTG: 4.27 BB (VPIP: 20.69, PFR: 18.52, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 29)

7 players post ante of 0.13 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.38 BB) Hero has 3 3

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 13.18 BB and is all-in, SB raises to 21.84 BB and is all-in, fold

Flop: (28.24 BB, 2 players) 5 A 6

Turn: (28.24 BB, 2 players) 6

River: (28.24 BB, 2 players) 7

SB shows J A (Two Pair, Aces and Sixes)
(Pre 50%, Flop 88%, Turn 95%)
Hero shows 3 3 (Two Pair, Sixes and Threes)
(Pre 50%, Flop 12%, Turn 5%)
SB wins 28.24 BB
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Old 12-05-2016, 11:34 AM   #2
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Re: $3.5 - 18 man: Shoving 33 late position

seems like a pretty std shove at that point in the tournament and with your position in the hand.
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Old 12-06-2016, 01:04 PM   #3
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Re: $3.5 - 18 man: Shoving 33 late position

Yes, shoving was the best option here.
If you get flatted you have a lot of bad flops and hard decisions. If you get 3bet you have to fold. Open shoving, however, is definitely +EV here.
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Old 12-07-2016, 02:22 AM   #4
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Re: $3.5 - 18 man: Shoving 33 late position

sweet, thanks guys
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Old 12-08-2016, 06:43 AM   #5
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Re: $3.5 - 18 man: Shoving 33 late position

55+,A8+,A5s+,KT+,K9s+,QTs+ is pretty much unexploitable meaning still +ev if they call any range, in theory. Something like 22+,A9+,A2s+,KT+,K6s+,QT+,Q8s+,JT,J8s+,T8s+,98s,87 s is ok vs a standardish calling range but any signs of them erratically calling stuff like 44/A9/KQs and it'll become -ev.
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Old 12-08-2016, 12:20 PM   #6
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Re: $3.5 - 18 man: Shoving 33 late position

Top Pig, did you use icmizer or sngwiz to get these ranges? Thanks for detailing the hands here.

I am currently playing $0.25 45m sng and suspect a lot of players would probably call w/ the hands mentioned in the -ev situation.

stacker604, is there a big difference in the skill level b/w $0.25 player pool and the $3.50 pool?
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Old 12-08-2016, 10:21 PM   #7
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Re: $3.5 - 18 man: Shoving 33 late position

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Top Pig, did you use icmizer or sngwiz to get these ranges? Thanks for detailing the hands here.

I am currently playing $0.25 45m sng and suspect a lot of players would probably call w/ the hands mentioned in the -ev situation.

stacker604, is there a big difference in the skill level b/w $0.25 player pool and the $3.50 pool?
No idea about skill differences. When I came back to online, I was playing in $1.50 games, and then moved to $3.50.

I'm actually quite curious about skill differences myself between $3.50 and $7.00 as I'm almost bankrolled enough to move up.
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