good to shove? they been pretty tight and passive.


PokerStars Game #69237946191: Tournament #457296643, $0.45+$0.05 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XIII (800/1600) - 2011/10/19 23:52:27 ET
Table '457296643 4' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Chuky15 (18445 in chips)
Seat 3: cgjor (21036 in chips)
Seat 5: el_diabalo (6780 in chips)
Seat 7: player9791 (15724 in chips)
Seat 8: Freakdric (5515 in chips)
Chuky15: posts the ante 75
cgjor: posts the ante 75
el_diabalo: posts the ante 75
player9791: posts the ante 75
Freakdric: posts the ante 75
cgjor: posts small blind 800
el_diabalo: posts big blind 1600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to cgjor [2c 2h]
player9791: calls 1600
Freakdric: folds
Chuky15: calls 1600
cgjor: raises 19361 to 20961 and is all-in
el_diabalo: folds
player9791: calls 14049 and is all-in
Chuky15: folds
Uncalled bet (5312) returned to cgjor
*** FLOP *** [Ad Ah 7d]
*** TURN *** [Ad Ah 7d] [Jc]
*** RIVER *** [Ad Ah 7d Jc] [9s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
cgjor: shows [2c 2h] (two pair, Aces and Deuces)
player9791: shows [As Td] (three of a kind, Aces)
player9791 collected 34873 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 34873 | Rake 0
Board [Ad Ah 7d Jc 9s]
Seat 1: Chuky15 (button) folded before Flop
Seat 3: cgjor (small blind) showed [2c 2h] and lost with two pair, Aces and Deuces
Seat 5: el_diabalo (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: player9791 showed [As Td] and won (34873) with three of a kind, Aces
Seat 8: Freakdric folded before Flop (didn't bet)

yes very standard.. lots of fold equity (you pick up all dead money immediately a lot of the time which is great)
and when called, we have pretty good equity with some nice dead money to juice up the pot odds.. e.g. you got called by AT here when you have slightly over 50% equity, yet pot odds gave you a chance to win the 35k pot by putting in only 15k (15/35 = 43%.).. very nice! of course sometimes we get called by AA KK QQ etc.. but overall it's profitable and shoving is good unless you have a note that villain traps, of maybe if he is particularly tight/nitty with stats (and therefore more likely to be limping monsters in general).

once this plays out like this, take a note that villain limp/called ATo UTG with 10BB at bb1600, something like that. so next time, when he limps in a similar situation you can fold something like QJs here which I would normally jam happily since he is limping some 'stronger' hands like ATo, and also more likely to call, since he did this time.
similarly if he folded take a note he limp/folded utg with 10bb bb1600 etc and in the future if you see him again you can lean towards a shove with close hands since it's more likely he is limp/folding than the average player since we know he has done it before in a similar spot.. at this buy in level you probably won't see the same player/s again very often at all but this is really good practice for something you should be doing at higher levels where it's more likely you will see the same guys again.
do not post results, gl

NH

ty clay for a good explanation, i am sorta new to 45 mans but i am doing well in them so far , i hope to be a part of this subforum and to learn as much as i can.

actually another hand
is it best to jam here or to r/c everyone exept gzero? Only asking because he has been fairly tight and if he 3bets me all in then i could fold i think because his range there is 22+, aj+, kq


PokerStars Game #69237694119: Tournament #457294813, $0.45+$0.05 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XII (600/1200) - 2011/10/19 23:39:06 ET
Table '457294813 3' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: cykm (8046 in chips)
Seat 2: spaetzle99 (11155 in chips)
Seat 3: oiciruam15 (4048 in chips)
Seat 4: kimwood (4200 in chips)
Seat 5: Saliv777 (6191 in chips)
Seat 6: cgjor (18736 in chips)
Seat 8: Gzero19 (15124 in chips)
cykm: posts the ante 75
spaetzle99: posts the ante 75
oiciruam15: posts the ante 75
kimwood: posts the ante 75
Saliv777: posts the ante 75
cgjor: posts the ante 75
Gzero19: posts the ante 75
cykm: posts small blind 600
spaetzle99: posts big blind 1200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to cgjor [2s 2d]
oiciruam15: folds
kimwood: folds
Saliv777: folds
cgjor: ?

Usually just jam.

+1 omgcd.

OP, convert hands please!