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05-04-2013 , 02:55 PM

poporella

veteran

Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 3,186

what to do on the flop`?

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $800(BB) Replayer
SB ($23,033)
BB ($6,779)
UTG ($2,590)
Hero ($10,705)
CO ($14,182)
BTN ($2,110)

Dealt to Hero 4

fold, Hero raises to $1,600, fold, fold, fold, BB calls $800

FLOP ($4,050) 8

BB checks, ?

05-04-2013 , 03:13 PM

Just0

enthusiast

Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 92

CBet and fold on AI, imho
But need more info about opp

05-04-2013 , 10:25 PM

kwanho1

adept

Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 716

shove preflop easy game

05-05-2013 , 12:10 AM

action10

journeyman

Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 204

hmmm vs most villains in this spot i am shoving pre flop. Assuming that he is a fish I would shove the flop as played

05-05-2013 , 01:51 PM

yandog1987

centurion

Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 188

not sure if im shoving this with 13bbs, seems spewy. min raise and call button.

As played you have to bet that flop, just under half pot maybe.

would be better to have more info on villain.

05-05-2013 , 05:27 PM

mckrogh

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 6,495

Quote:

Originally Posted by kwanho1

shove preflop easy game

Easy.... But not optimal obv.

05-07-2013 , 06:01 AM

Robinho2611

old hand

Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,329

Don't shove pre. Raising is fine.

Bet 1700 or so.

05-07-2013 , 10:10 AM

AAsnapfold

journeyman

Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 220

Well i bit weird against most people who call in the BB i check folps like that as there probably never folding to my cBets But I have a pair so i cBet and if he shoves on flop suppose i have to call it and if he flats the cBet shove turn.

05-07-2013 , 11:02 AM

Sokz

old hand

Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 1,331

Think shove pre at 2s is optimal.

05-07-2013 , 01:47 PM

#10

Duli

enthusiast

Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 71

Please, shove pre this. It is better than raise.

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05-07-2013 , 02:27 PM

#11

Gonira

adept

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 1,155

shove pre ainec

Quote:

Originally Posted by mckrogh

Easy.... But not optimal obv.

why not? do you want to play post flop super shallow with pocket 4s? do you want to fold to a jam? this seems way less optimal than just going all-in and collecting the moneys.

05-07-2013 , 02:30 PM

#12

Gonira

adept

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 1,155

btw, as played i'm bet/calling this flop (and hating it)

if he flats the cbet, i'm done with the hand

05-07-2013 , 02:32 PM

#13

McFlush1

grinder

Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 661

I agree with shove. I don't really want to min raise and cbet/fold with 13BB stack.

05-07-2013 , 02:34 PM

#14

Robinho2611

old hand

Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,329

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gonira

shove pre ainec

why not? do you want to play post flop super shallow with pocket 4s? do you want to fold to a jam? this seems way less optimal than just going all-in and collecting the moneys.

Even if you're right, the "ainec" is ridiculous. There are good arguments for shoving, but we need to weigh those up with the times we get can away from 99+ type hands when CO or SB has it. If villains aren't flatting too often, ,then you'll find that raising does a similar job to shoving anyway.

It's villain(s) dependent. We need to weigh up all the factors a make a decision. Personally I err on the side of raising but that doesn't mean it's right. Though the argument of not wanting to play postflop doesn't really convince me...

05-07-2013 , 02:43 PM

#15

Gonira

adept

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 1,155

we will have at least some 37% against most peoples shoving ranges anyway, so i don't bother that much if they call me, even the big stacks.

the biggest problem is the pot odds you give to bb. he'll be calling with a lot of speculative trash that is flipping against your hand and would be happily folding to a shove. you just give him cheap equity and put yourself in awkward post-flop situations like this one.

i stand for my opinion. shoving is way better than minraising in this spot.

05-07-2013 , 11:44 PM

#16

MISTRPerfect

centurion

Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 134

I think arguments can be made for both min raising and shoving. As played here I would cbet and call or just shove the flop.

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