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12-16-2013 , 07:18 PM

kminnik

centurion

Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 101

Poker Stars, $2.28 Buy-in (2,000/4,000 blinds, 400 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 4 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #21573461

CO: 9,034 (2.3 bb)
Hero (BTN): 48,114 (12 bb)
SB: 141,224 (35.3 bb)
BB: 71,628 (17.9 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with 7

CO raises to 8,634 and is all-in, Hero raises to 47,714 and is all-in, SB folds, BB calls 43,714

Flop: (107,662) 2

(3 players, 2 are all-in)
Turn: (107,662) J

(3 players, 2 are all-in)
River: (107,662) 5

(3 players, 2 are all-in)

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Hey! Can you see some ICM considerations here? Players behind me are regs

12-17-2013 , 03:47 AM

dguia

adept

Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 789

I don't play those (yet) but suposing top 3 is heavy enough i guess is a close fold... 2 orbits and we almoust there

12-17-2013 , 04:35 AM

snoep

centurion

Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 142

Quote:

Originally Posted by dguia

I don't play those (yet) but suposing top 3 is heavy enough i guess is a close fold... 2 orbits and we almoust there

What do you mean with this?

I think this is an easy fold, because the CO should get a call 100% of the time. I'd go with 77+ A9s+ ATo+ KQs

12-17-2013 , 04:54 AM

fidstar-poker

I'm gonna need a hacksaw

Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 32,992

Yeah, I let it go.

12-17-2013 , 05:33 AM

dguia

adept

Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 789

Quote:

Originally Posted by snoep

What do you mean with this?

I think this is an easy fold, because the CO should get a call 100% of the time. I'd go with 77+ A9s+ ATo+ KQs

Even if he get called he is getting the blinds around after this turn.

12-17-2013 , 06:58 AM

BaseMetal2

adept

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 1,060

If I felt the shove was 70% I would get it in but I doubt this so I would fold. It's pretty close though.
It's safer to let one of the blinds attempt to take out the CO and hope it goes your way,

12-17-2013 , 07:59 AM

snoep

centurion

Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 142

The shove should be around 50~60%. K7s has oke equity against that range, but if someone reshoves you have to fold and waste needed chips. It's eighter an shove or fold and K7s is just to weak to shove IMP

12-17-2013 , 06:06 PM

BennySkeletor

newbie

Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 25

Fist pump fold. ICM, shMY CM.

No need to get involved, IMHO, unless u are far stronger than you are. Let the BB sort it out.

12-17-2013 , 11:32 PM

ssg

old hand

Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 1,430

pretty easy fold. If we lose even against the short stack we in pretty bad shape.
fold KQo most the time too.

12-17-2013 , 11:55 PM

#10

kminnik

centurion

Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 101

Quote:

Originally Posted by ssg

pretty easy fold. If we lose even against the short stack we in pretty bad shape.
fold KQo most the time too.

What?? even KQo ?? I'm pretty sure that i should be tighter here but... I put it in to the icm -calc and it showed me the range sth about: A9o KJo K9s A5s 55 QTs. What's your whole range u would go all-in here. What do you think about my range?

12-18-2013 , 04:17 AM

#11

suprguard

grinder

Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 603

Hmm. ICM says 13.0%, 55+ A7s+ A9o+ KTs+ KQo.
cEV it's 24.9%, 22+ A2s+ A5o+ K7s+ KTo+ Q9s+ QJo J9s+

I have to admit I iso shove this way too much on final tables.

With < 20 bb stacks in SB and BB I probably shove this most of the time.

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