I just couldn't help it in this spot and call. Take into consideration that this was a snap push. So, considering that the villain didn't engage in a hand previously (as I recall), I don't think he's doing it with 88 or AQ. His range to me was 99+, AKo. And maybe not even with 99. Also what about ICM?

don t raise pre unless its to induce... and if it is to induce, I wonder why you are asking us if you should call or not his 3 bet jam

I always shove pre given your stack size

why would you ship pre?

Because I'm 60:40 underdog or 35:65 if he's not pushing 99. Also there are 2 players shorter than me and the SB especially is very short

ok but whether or not you open ship doesn't effect the odds of him having JJ+...

hey wassup Dereck!! Because jamming is awesome

Seriously, I think it avoids you to get in a awkward spot with TT if players decide to flat pre... Overcards can come on later streets... Its defenetly a jam pre for me..

if we jam players might be inclined to call with their mighty 22 etc because YOU GOT TO HAVE AKo!!

its all about maximizing profit vs ranges

Pretty sure m/r call (or folding depending on reads) makes the most money here.

Open jamming folds out hands that will 3bet shove over your raise.

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I don't agree. If we shove bottom of our range also, jamming looks way weaker than minraise here with 16bb. It's very villain dependent I guess, but in this spot I just shove.

Jamming your whole range is obviously worse than having a min raising and a jamming range. I don't see why this can't fit into a min raise/call range, and I couldn't care less if I have to go post flop with a hand as strong as TT against some fish who flats me out of the blinds.

This!

IMO jamming is fine. But it's sub-optimal and lazy.

TT utg with this stack and antes...i'll openshove.

At this level there are quite some villans who think that open shoving is weak, and will call lighter because of that.

Jamming might be lazy, i rather call it time efficient as multitabler there are 15 other tables waiting for action

Back to your question. We can't really answer because relevant info is missing:
Have you been (very) active at this table? Won a big pot the hand before perhaps?
Is BB being active/ restealing before? And such....

^ could not modify my post...you did answer one of the questions: BB wasn't active.

I shove, SB is coming with us most of the time. Inducing is prob a better option but then we def need some solid reads on players behind us who are capable of 3bing us light. Open poster didn't talk about such reads so is a shove for me

Using the logic that we need reads that people are capable of 3bet shoving is not great imo.

It's simple, by r/c'ing we give people the opportunity to. That's enough to make it the more +EV play.

By jamming we do the inverse, give them a chance to play better against us/our range.

Lets give hypothetical ranges we get action from for each (im dead tired and not at a computer so these are way off, just random percentages for illustration)

Jam: 10% of hands call
R/C: 15-20% of hands 3bet shove.

We're getting action from the 10% range that intersects both so why exclude the chance to get action from the extra 5-10%?

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no way some idiot will shove QJs over utg raise, or the other additional 5-10% AND EVEN IF, u WANT to fold out coinflips and get calls from dominated Hands, so i dont know..
(well thats in a perfect pokerutopia)

also i really doubt that u get shoves from 22-55(66) but if you shove u will surely get a call from a 'bad' player, since pushing looks so week.

Also this is a 2.5, not a 30$ buyin, so they will be more inclined to call pushes even fom utg.

TT flops btw 50% overcards, so i push this one for sure.

Did you read the part where I said I totally made those percentages up for illustrative purposes?

So you're saying someone sitting on 15BB will call off our shove with 55 but will what.. fold to a M/R?

Also you want to fold out hands you're ahead off? Seems kind of counterintuitive

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and how you get value from 22-55 and random broadways on a flop like this: A27 ?
also what u do on a J hi flop vs either a donkbet or a cr(if u dont jam the flop obv) ?

i saw these bad calls i saw even worse, so unless the idiots die out, jamming TT here is absolutly fine, but i agree, its maybe not the ultimate 'i am such a skilled player with 15bb'-route

to add on that, i not only saw bad calls i SAW really wierdo folds (10$ hot turbo) where it was around this stacksize and i pushed a hand utg, someone calls and BB fold&shows QQ :O, if i had mr-2,5x'ed it surely QQ would have called the other guys push(or jammed over his call)


and to your last question:
yes i do want to fold out coinflips, my reason for this is, that while we are ahead i appreciate it to just collect the blinds, its personal i guess.
If we hadnt foldequity then jamming 22 on the button with 10 BB would seem a horrible play