I figure this would be a shove but icmizer says i should only be shoving 15% hear. I thought this was so tight because there are two shorter stacks left, however after editing there stacks to much larger it says i should shove 3% of hands! Any ideas on why this is since i figure with no shorter stacks remaining there is no point playing extra tight in order to ladder up?

PokerStars - $2.28+$0.22|1250/2500 Ante 250 NL - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (UTG+1): 33,801
MP: 65,172 (VPIP: 22.22, PFR: 22.22, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 20)
CO: 47,806 (VPIP: 14.81, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 27)
BTN: 19,587 (VPIP: 10.59, PFR: 9.88, 3Bet Preflop: 3.92, Hands: 171)
SB: 70,924 (VPIP: 22.22, PFR: 18.75, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 36)
BB: 12,832 (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 8)
UTG: 19,878 (VPIP: 17.86, PFR: 3.85, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 28)

7 players post ante of 250, SB posts SB 1,250, BB posts BB 2,500

Pre Flop: (pot: 5,500) Hero has 6 6

fold, [color=red]Hero???

min

id definitely shove here, I'm not following icm strictly with 7 players left

shove it
maybe u need some adjustments on calling ranges, but i definitly think u gotta shove it here

Hi oldskool, how come?

With how many players do you follow icm and why dont you follow it here?
For wich reasons do you think you should shove a wider range than nash/icm in this spot?

ya. rai/fold or just fold. don't shove.

its a shove for me with 13 bb we can r/f and beside people can shove wider if we open

shove it... u probably typed in bad calling ranges for them, i guarantee its profitable

dont follow ICMIZER in 180 man turbos. I follow when there are 4 ppl left. I had wasted so much value in FTs when i started playing 180turbos. I used to play standard poker at FT at the beginning (very few adjustments). then i bought ICMIZER and started playing ICM in 180 FTs. D wasted so much value, by shoving too wide is some spots, too tight in some spots and calling too tight in some spots. now i follow Icm only in 4max or something. sometimes i feel ICMIZER is not working in some spots lol...

Hey pokerbot. There is definitely different schools of thought on the subject. I've talked to some very successful players that say once we hit final table stick to icm and others say more or less what makaveli was talking about in his post that you can switch to icm with 4-5 players left.

Me personally I go somewhere between icm and chipev at the final table and this is just too strong in chipev for me not too shove

I think it is very close for all lines, shove, fold or min-raise/(call or fold) line.

In this case on a FT with these stacks the players will be tight but oddly this brings them pretty close to the Nash ranges (the default). Some may even call a bit wider and 66 then looks like a mistake.

Default Nash:
http://hands.holdemresources.net/?id=186jew6hraoyf
Notice after Hero (MP1) shoves the other Nash ranges are set to 4.7%,3.8%,3.8%,5.9%,10.1%. These do seem pretty tight to me and quite close to my expectation but some players unused to FT's may call wider and this takes it from approx break even to neg.

I would always say you have to adjust the ranges in the tool, even the ones after you fold and the overcalls. If I do apply my best guess 66 comes out slightly negative.

Here is my guess at some ranges to expect
http://hands.holdemresources.net/?id=y3yeppzzmqoj
there is the benefit of getting to be 1st or 2nd chip stack if called and winning and I would say this brings 66 back to being about break even.

Here are the chipev ranges
http://hands.holdemresources.net/?id=186hnk8peshgq

100% shove in 2 180s