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180-man UTG 8bbs range query 180-man UTG 8bbs range query

09-05-2013 , 11:08 PM
I think this was a fold, was it? But I'm more interested in the following: what kind of range you'd shove here?

I'd go for 44+, A8o+, A7s+, KTs+, KJo+, QTs+ QJo+, 78s+

But it's hard to calculate accurate ranges for early positions, and then the fact that you will soon have a great chance to steal blinds... therefore it might be better to tighten up a bit in UTG and not go after thin value? I think I'm way too wide in UTG in general.

    Poker Stars, $7.34 Buy-in (125/250 blinds, 25 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    UTG+2: 3,465 (13.9 bb)
    MP1: 5,795 (23.2 bb)
    MP2: 1,273 (5.1 bb)
    MP3: 5,722 (22.9 bb)
    CO: 1,055 (4.2 bb)
    BTN: 4,992 (20 bb)
    SB: 5,241 (21 bb)
    BB: 2,415 (9.7 bb)
    Hero (UTG+1): 2,053 (8.2 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 5 A
    4 folds, MP3 raises to 625, CO raises to 1,030 and is all-in, 3 folds, MP3 calls 405

    Flop: (2,660) 2 J K (2 players, 1 is all-in)
    Turn: (2,660) J (2 players, 1 is all-in)
    River: (2,660) Q (2 players, 1 is all-in)

    Spoiler:
    Results: 2,660 pot
    Final Board: 2 J K J Q
    MP3 showed A 9 and lost (-1,055 net)
    CO showed 3 3 and won 2,660 (1,605 net)
    09-06-2013 , 02:11 AM
    22+, A9o+, A4s+, KJo+, K8s+, QJo, Q9s+, J9s+, T9s.

    Maybe we can cutout the lowest value non-made hands based on the nature of the table.
    So I see there are a few 5bb stacks, if we can make an estimation that they will be widening their ranges considerably, and playing level 1 ie; paying little attention to the strength of our UTG-shove but just looking to get their chips in with broadways and aces, then we can for sure cutout a very small portion of our range.
    This also applies to the nature of the regs behind, there are some regs who are too wide and if they view us as wide, will often make pretty poor reshoves/calls, which obviously means we have to adjust accordingly by tightening our own range.
    Your base range is still a little weird though, don't see how you can ever consider folding any pair in this spot yet jam 78s. :z

    Last edited by ShellysAshes; 09-06-2013 at 02:18 AM.
    09-06-2013 , 10:26 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ShellysAshes
    Your base range is still a little weird though, don't see how you can ever consider folding any pair in this spot yet jam 78s. :z
    That's because I'm having hard time figuring out good ranges especially for early position. I would have to give about 30-40 different ranges and overcall ranges in order to figure that out and it would still not be accurate + I'm not confident I can give accurate calling ranges for all players after me.

    So I'm left with not much choice than to make guesses and ask someone if it's any good. At least I'm not yet aware of a good way to assign the ranges for UTG.

    But yeah I've often seen people shove hands in a way that you mentioned so I guess I could be tighter.
    09-06-2013 , 02:08 PM
    A-5 is a fold there, its a weak ace, I agree with shellysashes when he says about not folding any pair but shoving 7-8, personally im folding 7-8 and shoving 2's and any pair above....

    It is hard to figure out exact ranges for shoving from early position, I need help with this myself. I would say with sub 10 big blinds A-8 through to AK, QJ, QK, and any pair, even 2's or 3's, 10-J suited as well possibly.
    What really counts is how short the stacks are behind you.
    09-06-2013 , 07:04 PM
    +1 to what shelly said, I would add 22+ get rid of 78s+. Personally i wouldn't jam any less Q9s+, QJo but thats just me i may be a little tighter then some regs
    09-07-2013 , 12:12 PM
    22+, Ax, K9o+, K6s+, QTo, Q8s+, J8s+, JTo, T8s, 98s, 87s, 67s.
    09-07-2013 , 03:33 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ShellysAshes
    22+, A9o+, A4s+, KJo+, K8s+, QJo, Q9s+, J9s+, T9s.

    Maybe we can cutout the lowest value non-made hands based on the nature of the table.
    So I see there are a few 5bb stacks, if we can make an estimation that they will be widening their ranges considerably, and playing level 1 ie; paying little attention to the strength of our UTG-shove but just looking to get their chips in with broadways and aces, then we can for sure cutout a very small portion of our range.
    This also applies to the nature of the regs behind, there are some regs who are too wide and if they view us as wide, will often make pretty poor reshoves/calls, which obviously means we have to adjust accordingly by tightening our own range.
    Your base range is still a little weird though, don't see how you can ever consider folding any pair in this spot yet jam 78s. :z
    +1. Fukn Shelly that 180 reg.. :P
    09-08-2013 , 02:19 PM
    This is really super dependant spot, but makes funny contrast the 5bb 8To no antes thread.
    I mean there is GTO, then there is taking some slightly -EV hands in because of the blind hitting next hand and also range reformation based on too wide(mainly shorties) or tight (mainly BB) calls.

          
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