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180/4 vs 4bet from UTG.. fold QQ ?

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12-23-2011 , 07:00 PM

unrealread

adept

Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 965

only 10 hands on vilain ( 28/12 )

okay if he does that with 99-1010-JJ..its a jam from him (and I would have snap called) but ...4bet with the intention of having a call... what the heck can he have here beside KK and AA? AK ships too here.. he might do that with JJ but I really dont think so.

KK = infoldable here, can QQ be folded? Will I face enough morons in a a 180/4 to be good? (folded since I have a stack, i'm not in any hurry..etc)

opinions?

Poker Stars, $4.10 Buy-in (25/50 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11414432

BB: 646 (12.9 bb)
UTG+2: 2,101 (42 bb)
MP1: 3,235 (64.7 bb)
MP2: 1,715 (34.3 bb)
MP3: 2,745 (54.9 bb)
CO: 2,190 (43.8 bb)
BTN: 2,235 (44.7 bb)
Hero (SB): 5,043 (100.9 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q

UTG+2 raises to 150, 5 folds, Hero raises to 350, BB folds, UTG+2 raises to 850, Hero folds

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12-23-2011 , 10:48 PM

OMGClayDol

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 11,060

if u think he is KK+ only kk is a fold btw
fold this for sure
think the 3b to begin with is close but its ok

12-24-2011 , 04:22 AM

unrealread

adept

Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 965

Quote:

Originally Posted by OMGClayDol

if u think he is KK+ only kk is a fold btw
fold this for sure
think the 3b to begin with is close but its ok

just cuz of his position? (the goal was to iso more than to "reraise")

12-24-2011 , 05:44 AM

OMGClayDol

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 11,060

position player stats the fact he raise instead of shove
maybe i should be clearer, it's not exactly a "clear" fold or "fold for sure" but in theory i think folding is better than sending it in

12-24-2011 , 10:50 AM

Longy

old hand

Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,721

Doubt i am folding against a relative unknown especially one playing 28/12.

When you 3bet, you really should have a plan to what you are going to do if villain 4bets. If you don't want to get it in pre, don't 3bet imo.

I like 3bet/5bet shove in this spot.

12-24-2011 , 12:20 PM

pkratitsbest

veteran

Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 3,035

3b bigger preflop oop to 475 and watch them hood flatting with 99 ajs jja etc. In theory it seems like a fold, but ingame, I don think i can fold. QQ AKs gii def folding jj ako

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