Manually rebuying or adding on is uncivilized.

1. Do you rebuy or not rebuy in these at the start?


2. Addon is 100 percent right?


3. I know you can rebuy as many times for up to 30 minutes. But when you rebuy, do you rebuy once or rebuy twice?


4. Is there ever a time you should not rebuy? Such as its 25 minutes in? Because the blinds would be much higher and even if you double rebuy, well you stack have a small/okay stack. But someone said you always because you don't have to pay the extra rake?


5. Average buyin for these? Obviously you are paying 3.50 plus the 3.19 add on. I assume many of you rebuy once at the start and rebuy again 2 times later on if you bust? However, you would have a pretty decent starting stack if you rebuy in the beginning. I would figure the average buyin is probably 2.5 rebuys and 1 add on for around average $12 average buyin?


6. Are these softer/tougher than $8/$15 180 mans?

1. Good post ? DOuble rebuy
2. Yeah pretty much right
3. Depends on the stacksize you have when you rebuy .. if you double rebuy for an awkward 30bb stacksize it seems pretty ****ty .. I'd rather play with 15 bigs wich is a good stacksize for 3bet jams and mr/call and folds
4. see 3
5. I always single rebuy my average bi is around 8-9$ , for the always double rebuyers it's way higher .. not sure how high.
6. Yes they are softer imo, but also really different, it's not really fair to compare them

7. Sharkscope graphs are useless for 3R btw .. mine says I'm a marginal winner .. well I'm not :P it also says there are a lot of people with 40-50% ROI .. there are not

8. you only asked 6 questions so I'm gonna stop here

love residents
what means move on..?

recently I started playing 3.5+r 180max sng tournaments at pokerstars. prior to that I have been playing 1$/180max (roi 73%), 2.5$/90max(roi 54%), 4.5$/180 max (roi 43%). So far at 3.5$+r I have played around 600 tournaments and I'm about break even, but swings are brutal (yesterday I was +400$).

Previously I used to play LAG-ish style, especially at 2.5$/90men and 4.5$/180men. But here it looks like nitty style works much better for me. Also I noticed that several succesfull regulars tend to play very loose aggressive. Like crazy aggromanic style which I don't get how can be working out...

for initial strategy, I'm always rebuying at the beginning and try to play rebuy period as aggressive as possible. Logic is quite simple. If I could rebuy for 6k instead of 3k would I rebuy? yes. we can't rebuy, but if I can flip with someone for 3k then it would be kinda same thing.

Gotta stick to this thrad for some time.

Wouldn`t be better to play two 3r 180 with 1500 stack instead of playing one 3r 180 with stack 3000. Isn`t better to push two times with 1500 stack than one time with 3000 stack? Am I wrong here? Please correct me if I am.

Anyone?

Given that you are going to get it in good in a spot you are 100bb deep for example, you're better off with the deepest stack since your double up will be doubled.

Fwiw, I think rebuying at the beginning is the best strategy and not rebuying during the tournament, since your edge will be when other people keep rebuying for 15bb and you will have your huge stack to pay them off when they don't shove appropriately.

Unless you managed to double for free...

This is not that hard, because the rebuys are allowed a lot of people go all in with marginal hands.

How many times its your maximum rebuy at 3.5+ 180 man?

I don't think there is any point to play rebuy tournaments unless you're going to be rebuying until the rebuy period ends.

3 rebuys + addon

I surprised from what I found that this hasn't been mentioned in response to all of the 'don't rebuy if you bust' contingent. At the start you are paying 3.5 / 1500 for your chips or .00233333. If/when you rebuy you are only paying .0021266666 (a .000207 difference, or 8.8% increase in value from initial BI). So while, yes, it is similar to late regging a tourney, you are actually getting more chips/$ than the people who entered earlier and so have an extra 8$ ROI over not re-buying and registering a new tourney. Plus our bb/100 is going to be very high at those shorter relative stack sizes and we're still +EV in the field presumably.

Not a 3r 180 reg, but it seems reasonable to buy in for a single bullet, always rebuy single, take add-on. I can see arguments for not full-stacking but I don't see an argument for not rebuying if busted unless your 10bb game is crap, in which case registering was probably -EV for you.

3 rebuy = 2 times only?


full buying will be

$3.50 + 3.19(1 rebuy)

if busted will be

3.19 + 3.19 = $6.38 (2 rebuy)


is it true?

Pretty much.
No point of wasting money and spend more than $15 on a tourney, easier to start a new one. How unlucky you have to get anyway to make so many rebuys? I average $8-$9 per tourney.

I am only a recreational player really but i ****ong love these tourneys. I like the 4.50's aswell but they last a little too long for my liking plus the prize pool is weak. My strategy is to play rediculously with my first bullet of 1500, sometimes will run that up if not bust and rebuy. Play a lot more solid with second bullet and usually run that up to anywhere from 3k to 7k. Add on is a no brainer and then the 'proper' poker starts (even though there is hardly any post flop play from this point on) and even though this is the case i still think these turbos are excellent for honing pre flop poker with lessons that can be carried over to non turbo poker. In The middle to latter stages of these tourneys i employ a sensible-ish strategy and try and minimize high risk taking which sees a slow accumulation of chips up past the 50k mark etc. a few key things i try and remind myself are as follows.

1) try and play proper poker, its easy to get caught up in the frenzys that occur on these things. Shipping 60k in MP with AJ suited to steal the blinds without having to worry about flops and what not may seem all fun and games untill someone covering you calls with QQ and your out just like that. Min raiseing will get the same job done. If a large stack shoves you can reassess the situatiin, if a short stack shoves you know u can call as your tourney life is not on the line and you can take a hit and his range is wider

2) i try not to overplay AK, al ot of the time AK will be in a flip against someone who has you covered if you both get it all in, try and see a flop first. Sometimes though u just gta go with it

3) blind stealing should be approached cautiously in the later and final tables stages, not to say that the tactic shouldnt be used a lot. This is where i think a 'feel for the game' comes in. A lot of SB shoves can be picked off here with non premium hands and also a lot of chips can be stolen if you choose the right times to push against the right opponents.

these are just some things that come to mind when playing these and i realise they are all fairly standard poker concepts however i am a rec player. My results on these were pretty **** origianlly however they have improved considerably recently with a lot more final tables being made.

the average amount of money i spend on these is about 9 dollars per go

Oh yeah, and the odd bit off good luck doesn't hurt, i reckon every deep run you get a golden piece of luck or two such as in a situation like shoving (mid stages)10k with Q9 on the button when its folded to you with the BB calling with 55's or summat and you hit a 9 on the river. This is an interesting situation becuase as i said before try and play proper poker which would mean raising in this case. HOWEVER, sometimes u just need to do without playing postflop and take those blinds down quickly without hassle. The trick here is that Q9 is still relatively decent and not a dominated hand like 34 therefore you have a chance, plus the risks are minimized because you only have to get through 2 players, hopefully One of which will be a short stack.

I'd like to bump the thread because there have been no analysis since the introduction of antes to the first six levels.

They've made the stacks effectively 1.6-1.9 times shorter during the rebuy period as opposed to 2014, putting those with conservative rebuy strategies at a disadvantage because single bullets aren't going to last long now.

Personally, I'm going to take double rebuys at any possibility and addons, but that's because I'm overrolled anyway

I wonder if anyone here has revised the rebuy strategy because of the early antes.

i think 4 rebuys (enter with 2 and make double if necesary) & 1 add-on (if i reach the addon time XD)

My 10 BB game aint bad, but even if i where the pro of the pros it will never be as good as my 30bb/100 in 10/20 (in very soft low $ mtts obv, but you get the point)

i just dump this slightly +ev for a huge edge in the next tourny i play, even if that might be only a 90+ man sng

I buy in as much as possible and always. Im really playing them as a 9-15$ tournament that are softer then even the $8 freezeout as well as having lower rake. my ABI for these is nearly 15$.

the only single time i wasnt going to rebuy was i was at a really tough table but i didnt uncheck auto rebuying intime so had to play it.

The big plus point of my strategy is Sharkscope doesnt use the correct buy ins so over exaggeratees our roi so my graph looks well dope

15 bucks seems really excessive. Mine is around $10. I play really tag during rebuy period and try to keep rebuys down also double at beginning then single till add on. I have tried both methods in past but, think this method works best for my style.

you take addons and double enter then your BI is about $10. this means you are never rebuying after busting. if you used same stretegy as me.

My min bi is what 3.5 + 3.19 +3.19 is 9.88 so as I double rebuy if i bust my ABI is going to exceed $10.

$15 is probably a slight over exageration its probably 13-14 actually. but yeah thats how ive been playing them.

yeah i think $15 is certainly excessive. i cant say for certain but if even if your constantly rebuyin you should be at like $12ish max i think. mine is at $11.3 and i always add on always rebuy

may be a noob question but how do you know your exact ABI for these does Pokertracker record this somewhere?