Ok burnja think of it like this. the level is 200/150, you bust a 3k stack, why would you ever rebuy here? Leaving the tourney is great for your true non ss roi as you add another 30 minutes to mine out fishes in a new one, but thats not really hourly optimul so good regs dont do it.

So theres two other options, double rebuy or single rebuy. Ill first start by saying the diffence is probably pretty small but it usually is in poker. If you buy the second rebuy your basicly paying more then you would for those chips in under 5 minutes only a few hands in reality. DO you really think your edge is gonna make up for 500 chips in a few hands? No

Theres also annother side effect to this late in 3 rebuy stages. Because your chips are worth less (1500 per 3$ instead of 2000) Every ev spot you take has to net you more ev then most people realise in order to make good shoves. Basicly you have to be a rock and stragerpoker style shoves are all pissing away equity.

I think alot of people have noticed this but I still see alot of a2 bvb calls when bb has less chips then sb right before the addon which is just burning money.

My take on shens(1500 all the way) strategy and I know alot about it because I do it from time to time (reg filled tables on my right mostly) they are pretty secreitive about it and i got chewed out when one of his horses explained it to me and I told a few people it might have some base as they laughed at me.

- Its ok not hourly optimul, turns a 180 into a 360 so deeper more spots more roi , way lower variance so nit backers like to convince horses to do it.

Its a pretty big difference having 5000 chips at bb250 and having 3500 chips at bb250. It would be cool if I could calculate the times I ended rebuy/addon with 5000 chips (paying an additional $9) and went on to finish top 3. If I win 1/50+ in this situation, not even including my other finish positions, it would clearly show that doubel rebuying the entire time is the better option. I'll see what I can do. I dont really know how I can easily compile this information

And then u wonder why u come up as an arrogant douchbag. And this also tells me you arent even reading the comments, i was a horse under shen for a while so i think im in some kind of position to make that statement.

Maybe he changed his strategy but by the time i opened this thread he was single rebuying from the start and then double rebuying, actually he didnt played that much on 2012, he just started to pick up his normal grind.

Theres a staking group that still has there players do shens strat even now joseracers at my table and i know hes backed but not by who. I know my friend leetdog was prop in same group but he failed n got droped or quit prop same group but that mnight say something for the strategy.

I think your overestimating your edge with having more chips you dont need to make chips early you can shove 9bb all day n print money thats basicly my strategy. I find its easier to get chips 9-13bb range then it is 13-16, more then that is nice edge tho but that rarely happens.

And even if your edge with many chips is as big as you think if you added more tables and played shorter youd prop make more money

i read ur entire post. it doesnt mean anything if thats what he used to do. now, today, hes only rebuying for 1500 when he busts. probably because if you're going to double rebuy after busting but not rebuying from the start, seems awfully silly. do you want to argue showing any2 OTB cuz tahts what everyone did 3 years ago?

you came in here and just blasted me with information that is outdated for what? to stand up for your man?(aqua)

this is like a pro athlete making fun of average joes for not running as fast as them. i feel bad for doing it and im not posting here anymore. have a nice day

u jelly?

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I quoted you because I was agreeing with your statement about sharkscope. Comparing sharkscope graphs is pointless because one is using rebuys, one isn't. It's like running a 100 metre race against someone with 1 leg and then showing everyone how much faster you ran. It's pretty lol. My last comment about being condescending was aimed at Burnja.

You still think you're not being arrogant? Jesus christ.

Hope it makes you feel good man. You're the best.

your coming across abit douchey but w/e. anyway thought id post this here..

i'm looking for someone to talk poker with on skype etc. as I have a lack of poker friends. I play $2.50 180 mans and $3.50 180 mans atm. if anyone is in the same boat holla at me

Lol Movin.target you're so arrogant, you kinda lost credibility when you claimed you've made more money the last few months in 180s than anyone on the site.

Just posting to apologise for rubbing anyone the wrong way. I was simply pointing out that comparing sharkscope stats when we are looking at the difference between rebuying and not rebuying is futile - because sharkscope doesn't even reflect that difference! I could have gone about it in a better way, but I never expected that kind of lash out.

Last post ITT - take all the shots you want.

Australians suck. That's the best I've got.

just over 2 month graph... I doubt anyone made more in 180's in that timeframe let alone the guys who visit this "popular forum" all I see in this forum is the weaker players insulting the bigger winners, ya were really gonna keep talking strat with you now rofl.

Now im being aragant to make you look like an idiot, im not an aragant person I said that because everyone was laughing at my strat talk because I think outside the box they all thought I was a fish and I wanted to say hey maybe im on to something.

This thread has way too much ego, one of the biggest reasons I think I do well is I dont get in dick swinging reg wars and can talk strat with 2.50 players , its terrible in poker . Oh im not aragant I am condescending tho ;p

And I said you were arrogant? You proved me wrong!

i know tho eh but did you even read the post you basicly asked for my graph... I have no credibility because I lied right?

Im either a liar or aragant wellplayed sir nice forum game put some of that work in your poker

Just to be clear MT, I was talking about Burnja the whole time... I quoted you cause I was AGREEING with you.

Ya I kinda assumed then eh attacked me out of nowhere weird thread.

lol!

Come on, I'm not saying you don't have good results, I'm saying you're arrogant - the posts in this thread (and others) made me say that, nothing to do with what you and Aliquantum were talking about.

Losing credibility doesn't mean you're a liar, it means you made outrageous claims, because there are much larger 180 winners than you, I fully admit I'm not one.

I mean, I know I kinda came out the blue, but you've admitted you're arrogant (and maybe you have cause to be) so I don't know what the problem is here.

How did I lose credibilty by beating the games this forum is about talking strat for.... anyway ill stop posting here your welcome

This thread is derailed. Take the **** waving contests else where?

This thead havent got a single reply in 18 hours if u wanted us to stop posting you should have done it yourself instead of bumping an "annoying" discussion

I did used to do single rebuys and the add on in sunday million satellites and other rebuy tournaments and am going to start doing it in $3 rebuy 180's as i can't afford to do the double rebuys.

And i have heard the field is weaker than the $8 , 180's.So makes sense as i play the $2, 180's. As mixing stronger Fields with weaker ones may result in me taking too much time thinking about decisions.And timing out alot.

Have played in some tourneys with a big added prize pool before and the only thing that made sense was to double rebuy and add on no matter how big stack was.

If there's enough added free cash to a prize pool.If it's a satallite with a few prizes payed out.In the rebuy period You could play like a cash game and always try to get your money in even with the smallest edges.To try getting a monster stack to give you best chance at a top prize.And a bigger buy in gets a bigger % of the added money prize pool.As well as a better chance to reach it.

You had to bump a dormant argument to have your say?

Go away.

I'd love to hear arguments for why you should double rebuy. I notice good regs doing this, and I don't get it.

I think EV wise it's best to use the 1 bullet strategy, because your initial 1500 chips are worth more than the next 1500.

BUT it's not only EV. If you can maintain a winning rate at these tournies, you may want to start with 3000 chips just so that you have a better chance of winning and don't waste your time.