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06-11-2012 , 01:29 PM

retr0byte

centurion

Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 149

no real reads ,villain kind of spewy/laggy but not a drooler , on the bubble

Poker Stars, $10.05 Buy-in (300/600 blinds, 50 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 7 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #13181311

CO: 6,588 (11 bb)
BTN: 10,144 (16.9 bb)
SB: 59,172 (98.6 bb)
BB: 6,589 (11 bb)
MP1: 10,480 (17.5 bb)
Hero (MP2): 26,993 (45 bb)
MP3: 13,421 (22.4 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q

MP1 folds, Hero raises to 1,555, 3 folds, SB calls 1,255, BB folds

Flop: (4,060) A

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets 2,995, SB calls 2,995

Turn: (10,050) 9

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets 5,555, SB calls 5,555

River: (21,160) 2

(2 players)
SB bets 16,600, Hero folds

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06-11-2012 , 01:33 PM

hardcoreUFO

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 16,281

Wow. Villain is rarely bluffing, so it's a matter of how often he misplays weaker AX hands like this and spew pot bets the river. I feel this is a flush or a FH almost every single time without further reads and would definitely hate my life and fold this.

06-11-2012 , 01:56 PM

retr0byte

centurion

Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 149

does he ever make this move w/ Ax that is not a full house and if he has an A why not raise the flop ?

06-11-2012 , 04:58 PM

hardcoreUFO

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 16,281

Quote:

Originally Posted by retr0byte

does he ever make this move w/ Ax that is not a full house and if he has an A why not raise the flop ?

He could've flop the nuts, it's hard to tell. Yes, he is making that sometimes with ax not fh hands, but this is a very rare scenario and i feel it almost never happens when the river completes a flush draw.

06-12-2012 , 12:32 AM

3six9

newbie

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 47

wow, have played many thousands of 180 man's, never seen a stack at 60k at 600 BB > more impressive on the bubble at 300/600, have never seen that either, this villain must have been on a heater, taking out 3 players per hand ;D

06-12-2012 , 04:21 AM

Chindo_Nights

adept

Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 994

I don't think we ever have the best hand here, puke/hero fold

06-12-2012 , 06:37 AM

furo

deviation of equilibrium

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 29,639

you can check flop here sometimes with the flush blocker and if you bet def bet smaller, in the 40% region to let him call or raise wider than just vlaue hands, its hard for him to have anything.

as played i click call and berate vs someone laggy.

06-12-2012 , 06:38 AM

Chindo_Nights

adept

Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 994

Quote:

Originally Posted by furo

what can he have that we beat?

06-12-2012 , 06:40 AM

furo

deviation of equilibrium

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 29,639

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chindo_Nights

what can he have that we beat?

bluffs and yea worse Ax he is clicking buttons with randomly.

you realise that with the Qc in our hand and the Ac on the board there are not many value hands we lose too and we just need like 30%? i might fold like A5s here (no flush blocker, not beating his wierd Ax lines) but think our hand is slightly to strong

06-12-2012 , 08:25 AM

#10

streetwalkincheeta

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 5,132

Eh villain probably has every flush in his range, don't know how much blockers matter here if his range is boats/flushes. I think it's pretty optimistic to think villain's call/call/shoving worse Ax/random pair/double OOP float on this river.

I'd bet less on the flop too.

06-12-2012 , 09:10 AM

#11

DaRook1e

centurion

Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 124

Quote:

Originally Posted by furo

you can check flop here sometimes with the flush blocker and if you bet def bet smaller, in the 40% region to let him call or raise wider than just vlaue hands, its hard for him to have anything.

would you fold to a check/raise OTF this hand vs. that villain? Given he has been running that hot to build a massive stack he might feel overconfident and try to win every pot, so I guess he has a good $ of bluffs in his toolbox.

06-12-2012 , 09:14 AM

#12

furo

deviation of equilibrium

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 29,639

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaRook1e

i dont fold this hand vs someone like him anywhere

06-12-2012 , 09:52 AM

#13

Chindo_Nights

adept

Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 994

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaRook1e

would you fold to a check/raise OTF this hand vs. that villain?.

lol this is a snapcall

06-12-2012 , 01:49 PM

#14

DaRook1e

centurion

Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 124

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chindo_Nights

lol this is a snapcall

sure it is

06-12-2012 , 02:51 PM

#15

kan0

adept

Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 913

I call because villain thinks his Ax is the nuts and I think the kicker is beating him. You could even see him doing this with KK, you get all sorts at the slow 180s.

I'm calling about 75% of the time here, with a tank fold in my range. But at 180s I don't give these types of players credit very often.

06-13-2012 , 11:57 AM

#16

Pagasses...

See my staking thread

Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 959

Fold. The only hand you beat here is a bluff. What kind of hand do you think he is calling in the flop???

06-14-2012 , 06:30 AM

#17

retr0byte

centurion

Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 149

fd and aces

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