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10-03-2015 , 07:16 AM

IBNash

centurion

Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 186

Wasn't sure if MP2 (24/16/5) was donking with any 2 overcards as I'd seen him do with AKo on a 27J flop a few tables earlier.

No deep reads besides:
[P] Limp and called a raise with {JTs} (1)
[P] Raised or Called All-in Preflop (Eff. Stacks: BB >= 22) with {AA,AJo} (2)
[F] Donks flop with top pair or better (1)

Poker Stars, $0.91 Buy-in (300/600 blinds, 50 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
View Hand #37143217

SB: 51,089 (85.1 bb)
BB: 67,498 (112.5 bb)
UTG+1: 27,291 (45.5 bb)
UTG+2: 20,740 (34.6 bb)
MP1: 21,320 (35.5 bb)
MP2: 27,475 (45.8 bb)
Hero (MP3): 30,487 (50.8 bb)
CO: 5,616 (9.4 bb)
BTN: 18,484 (30.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with J

3 folds, MP2 raises to 1,800, Hero calls 1,800, 4 folds

Flop: (4,950) 9

(2 players)
MP2 bets 4,950, Hero?

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10-03-2015 , 09:40 AM

Kristofero

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Join Date: Sep 2015 Posts: 1,317

Flat. From your AKo read, he's competent. Strong overs, underpairs. Sometimes QQ+ but c'est la vie.

Last edited by Kristofero; 10-03-2015 at 09:41 AM. Reason: But not that good. Best double barrels are flop/riv ones, not flop/turn.

10-03-2015 , 12:02 PM

IBNash

centurion

Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 186

Call a pot sized bet OTF?
What's our plan if he shoves to a blank Turn?

10-03-2015 , 02:06 PM

HateMyLife

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Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 407

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kristofero

Flat. From your AKo read, he's competent. .[/I]

LOL. Given the reads OP provided we can assume villian is some random 1$ sng fish who doesnt have much of a clue.

As played 3bet pre for value in the first place. How can you ever flat with JJ here you have top 2% hand and some random dolt how has 50x behind opened to 3x?!

flop is interesting, I see idiotic Potsized CBets being done with AK AQ a lot but they have 88+ once in a while here too. Calling flop and getting it in on a blank turn is ok. I wouldn't mind raising flop small either. Lots of bad players spazz out as fu.ck on paired boards for some reason.

10-04-2015 , 07:50 AM

IBNash

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Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 186

I did flat his pot size flop bet. He shoved on a blank turn and I did fold convincing myself he had QQ or better, and I had him covered.
I felt we'd just hit the FT and I could pick a better spot

Felt like a bad idea not soon after, I was card dead and finished 6th, possibly being a bit results oriented.

If I'm going to call his Turn shove, shouldn't I be 3bet jamming JJ OTF instead?

10-05-2015 , 04:18 AM

LektorAJ

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Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 7,826

^Not neessarily because you don't want to fold out stuff like AK that may continue bluffing. You are better off risking the six outs

10-05-2015 , 05:59 AM

IBNash

centurion

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So call the pot sized bet OTF and call his shove OTT? Man, exactly what I'd planned before convincing myself he had QQ OTT.

10-06-2015 , 02:13 PM

j00hndayton

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I think I like raising flop here for value and protection, calling is also fine if you call the turn shuv. I tend to think his pot sized bet is weaker in general, hell never have 99 or 77 and rarely AA or KK so you beat a majority of his range. I think there is also more incentive to protect here vs larger sizing as the pot will be pretty bloated and your not loving any overcard turn.

10-07-2015 , 12:12 PM

IBNash

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I couldn't imagine raising the flop and folding the Turn to any overs. I'd still have almost 40 BBs left over, should've given this more thought at the time.

10-07-2015 , 03:54 PM

#10

j00hndayton

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Quote:

Originally Posted by IBNash

I couldn't imagine raising the flop and folding the Turn to any overs. I'd still have almost 40 BBs left over, should've given this more thought at the time.

Is this in reference to my post? Just b/c the reason is partially to protect vs overcards doesnt mean i recommend folding when said cards hit.

10-09-2015 , 06:01 PM

#11

IBNash

centurion

Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 186

Quote:

Originally Posted by j00hndayton

Is this in reference to my post? Just b/c the reason is partially to protect vs overcards doesnt mean i recommend folding when said cards hit.

What's the plan then, call a pot size bet on a safe looking flop, and call his overbet shove even if an A/K/Q drops OTT?

10-11-2015 , 04:46 AM

#12

LektorAJ

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Depends on levelling and reads for the player or player pool but I would expect trips to try to get it in over 3 streets rather than going pot then 1.4 pot over 2 streets so I would still bluff catch a K or Q turn jam.

10-14-2015 , 05:38 PM

#13

Kristofero

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Quote:

Originally Posted by HateMyLife

Bleh. OK?

Fine, let's narrow down idiocy. You 3bet to 5.1k. Villain pops to 14k. Shoves?

U do wut?

10-21-2015 , 06:51 PM

#14

PreShove

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Call flop and call a turn shove too.

Why would he make a pot sized bet on the flop with AA, KK or QQ? Of course he might have done that, but I think it's pretty unlikely. Mostly he will be playing a lower pair than yours or AT+ imo. If he did have QQ+, he should know he is probably best and he wants you to call. I don't think a pot bet on a 997 is how he would handle that situation

Also, I like a 3Bet pre against a (24/16/5) player, unless he calls a lot of 3bets of course. It might narrow his range pretty well, which is good for JJ I think.

10-21-2015 , 07:04 PM

#15

Kristofero

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PSB = don't rule out FTP regbotting.

1/180, call twice.

Elsewhere, maybe just call once (stacks do that anyway in turbos.)

Marginally unprofitable to snap 4b's with JJ v 24/16/especially 5 tho, so not sure 3b is joyville.

10-21-2015 , 08:28 PM

#16

IBNash

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I agree it he'd want callers with QQ+ and probably wouldn't pot it OTF. However I'm not sure if I wanted to 3bet his 3x raise and then fold to either a 4bet shove or to a pot size bet OTF with overs. Didn't fancy going all in with JJ pre. It's why I flatted pre to reevaluate OTF.

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