Just to be clear, you are saying in a very specific manner that all of the monthly settlement issues between the skins are due to only Cake not paying its debts in a timely manner, since you claim that Lock is fully paid up to date every month to Cake in all the network related debts it may have to Cake at any time.

Basically it is all Cakes fault?

Not at all, in fact one of those instances Revolution/Cake wasn't even involved as the poker room was going through a 3rd party provider who was the problem on that occasion.

Pretty sure someone at Revolution/Cake had to make a choice as to how these were handled at some time in the past, as I doubt whatever this structure formed itself, so in effect you are saying that Revolution/Cake screwed up by trusting some mysterious source that was supposed to handle the settlements between skins, and that source stole money or lost it somehow, perhaps at the craps tables.

I am not quite sure why they would need a third party to do that, perhaps you can explain why a 3rd party is needed to move money from Lock to Cake for instance when I assume each skin has its own business accounts.

How much money was lost with this 3rd party force? Certainly is a shame that Lock is taking the rap for these nefarious people, and now that they have been identified as evil, how does Lock settle up with Cake now? A different 3rd party?

No they arent a direct skin, the 3rd party has a contract with Revolution/Cake. It allows very small rooms to join a network without paying the costs involved in working directly with the network.

So the 3rd party does a deal with Cake to bring on other small rooms underneath them, and those rooms they bring on have a contract with that 3rd party rather than with Revolution/Cake.

Nice to see someone saying this. I read these forums and see the same people saying the same stuff with no more information than anyone else. Everything that is being said is pure speculation. In fact the more you say Lock is going under, you are hurting the people who play on the site and your chances of getting paid. If you pay close attention you can see a bunch of people got paid last week. Yes I know it took 4 months, but if a site was going under within the next few months they would not be paying. I personally feel they are trying to catch up on payments not because its the right thing to do, but because they can have a very profitable business if Lock stays around. When Shane is not posting anymore and nobody has gotten a payment in a month then I would get worried, but they are not going to pay someone out and go out of business the next week.

Full Tilt paid some ROW players not long before they shut down, so not quite sure that is an indication of health that you believe. In fact many intentional scams will pay off a few people and talk about that to alleviate concern.



OK, and Cake has paid them and then they stopped paying the skins for some reason is what you are suggesting.

Obviously in this scenario Cake would have replaced them by now, and if this evil 3rd party did this we should be hearing from the skins impacted naming this company (yet they only mention Cake).

Since this is a company that obviously did something wrong, why not say who they are so they can be exposed for what they are and Lock stops taking the blame for things they have not done.

I assume that the larger skins like yours and Intertops and perhaps a few others do not use this 3rd party service and therefore all the payments must be up to date between Lock, Juicy, Cake, Intertops and any other larger skin - correct? You should have people from the Cake network come and pst that if true, this is the type of specific information that should be documented as told.

If Revolution/Cake had stopped paying them then all of the rooms underneath them would have been in the same boat. The fact that it was a singular room and they were back live in a couple of days makes it look more like a dispute between the provider and the room with money withheld and eventually paid.

I'd love the network to come in and post things like that as well as give more insight to things like Fair Play and other disputes with skins but sadly they have yet to show an interest in making any public statements and I cant see them starting any time soon.

lol first off defensive much? I was merely stating that of course they don't believe lock is going under or else why would they play there anymore. Jeeze Mccormick I was actually defending u.

Oh, I'm sorry.. I guess my train of thought when I see posts on 2+2 is influenced too much by all history of me "being a shill" and being portrayed as such. It looked a lot like a sick jab where I'm "still defending Lock, while not playing there anymore myself out of pure egoism/own gain/or Lock's gain since I'm a shill".

Yes, they will pay off people while planing their scam, but they´ll usually do their scam in the peak and not 10 month after they lost players and depositors cause of delayed withdrawals. Everything is possible, but this would be a very stupid scam if this is Lock´s intention.

you're talking about Zet, right?

What about AdamEve and ComeOn? They say they haven't been paid either for several months.

This logic is flawed. The "peak" can only be seen now, in hindsight. At the very moment when it was happening, Lock only saw "oh, we have a small decline in playerpool, what do we do, pull the plug now or keep going and hope it bumps back up" that could be their logic still at the time.

Not saying either is true, but yeah your post makes 0 sense whatsoever.

In any case, though, Lock's reputation is beyond horrible at the moment, but I do believe if they were speaking the truth all along and eventually do get the payment processing under control, their numbers will fly back up at least equally fast as they dropped. Their name is out there, they have a big "name/brand" built imo, it won't take that long for positive word of mouth to spread either if it ever happens.

AdamEve I know started over a dispute about their marketing tactics.

I have no information at all on the ComeOn situation.

If lock doesn't own / run the network wouldn't this be juicy / cakes problems since there not paying out, and them getting the heat on this? Why is the cake and juicy threads in internet poker not blowing up with this then?

Or is all of this stemming from lock not paying the network? I know I read somewhere where shane posted they were up to date on payments, but also read (forget source) that there like 6 months behind? Also them being segregated has nothing to do with payments it doesn't add up since intertops has as many if not less games running then lock poker and they are paying out within a week with checks. Then again you go and look at juicy who has terrible payments (6+ month checks) but they have more tables running then intertops and lock combined sometimes.

Seems like they need to do someretooling like merge did, kick out the lil guys cut out p2p transfers etc etc.

Oh what a tangled web we weave
When first we practice to deceive. - Sir Walter Scott shameful just shaneful

LOL @ shanespeak. Money or a job is worth so much to you over the cost of ethics, integrity, and a sense of right and wrong.

Here is something you can do that is positive and wont cost you a cent...Tell us what pivotal event in your life influenced your moral compass. Such bold face lying, deception, and stalling tactics. Nuremberg taught the world the value of just following orders defense.

You see people not getting paid...when did you come to the conclusion that it is okay to be so bent?

I actually pity you. A persons sense of value is seen by standing by what they say. Integrity...Your worth is actually lower than the .25 cents on the dollar that Lock funds are trading for.

The information that Lock owns 0% of the network just came out a few weeks ago. Up until then, everybody thought they did have some ownership. Shane even said he unaware that they owned 0% before Jen made that statement in the g911 interview.

The skin reconciliation issue has been around for several months now (since maybe Dec. or Jan), and so this whole discussion initially began in this forum when AdamEve started posting.

If nobody was getting paid at all you would have a point, but players are getting paid just not fast enough.

What would the great value of me leaving Lock now before they turned things around? Would players suddenly get paid quicker if I quit?

Im still here because I still believe in Lock and I still believe things will get turned around.

But perhaps players are only "getting paid" 10% of what is deposited at Lock? Which would explain why players are getting less and less..

I reiterate..the forum has listened to your lies, spins, and half-truths for quite a while. You do not have credibility...the place you work for does not have credibility.

The question stands as posed before. What influences were there over your life to cement a lack of ethics in the very least your business portion of your life?

Your company has no credibility left. Anyone that deposits onto your site has not done their homework as Lock's issues are clearly documented all over the web for anyone with Google to see.

The rest is just delays to keep the ponzi afloat a little while longer....

at what point will it cost more to keep the lights on than to fold...Do the "honorable" Everleaf/Minted approach and just fold. That way no more lemmings are duped to put any deposits onto your site.

mightytiny is right, share your credibility is gone. no-one trust you anymore after your lies..
Good luck finding a new job

your post lost all credentials when you said "honorable and everleaf / minted approach in the same sentence.

cash out by many, pay out to few that is, has , and will continue to be the problem. No matter if shaneful stays or gos they will ,can,and do not address this issue. How can they keep trying to get new players when they cant pay the ones they have now. The current model of lets hope the 6+ month plus cash outs give up and pay the 1-2 month old ones instead is dreadful. There is no plan in place to pay the back log, unless you include the shane chase it up for you done and done.

Most of what you just said is just your option. How do you know they hope people with long cash outs will quit? Also if you read cash out threads people are saying they got it in 4 months. Yes 4 months is not acceptable, but saying the model is to pay people out in 6 months + is untrue. As I said before posting speculation like this doesn't help the people waiting on cash outs or the ones currently playing on the site. Why can't people post facts like I got my cash out after 4 months and 10 days? Please note I am not advising people to play on Lock, but making posts with no facts doesn't help me or the other players with money on the site.

One thing im 100% sure on is they have no way to pay out the number of requests from usa players , so what do they do, actively seek new usa players without fixing the problem of old pay outs. Any reputable site would suspend new sign ups till this problem is fixed , no site would accept new sign ups with no system in place to pay them in a timely manner unless there totally negligence, so that is how I get my opinion they must be hoping they give up on old cash outs and work on the new ones because its quite clear they cannot keep up with cash out demands.