I and a lot of 2+2 users understand a lot more than you think.

1. Every day we see new users coming here and saying the same thing as all of us have, that they keep getting the runaround from Lock when they email asking them about anything.

2. Only a small percentage of poker players are actual winners and can cashout. The large majority of players are losing players that keep depositing and will never even have the opportunity to withdraw, let alone deal with these disgusting wait times.

3. Generally, if you are a winning player online, then you've heard of 2+2 or at least one of the dozens of other poker boards that have been discussing Lock's issues.

4. This really isn't even debatable. Lock is a horridly run poker room and casino. The software, cashouts, customer support and management decisions are all far below the standard of what we have been used to all these years. It's clear Lock has no intentions to improve and why would they if people keep depositing despite Lock doing everything possible to chase players off.

5. Lock's business model seems to be to attract new players and all but disregard existing players. Comcast had a similar business model until there were more choices and customers began jumping ship. They are now much better to existing customers, but it took competition to right that ship. It will take pretty much the same thing for Lock to change as well, as it's clear Jennifer Larson doesn't care at all.

6. Jennifer Larson did an interview well over a year ago where she stated Lock poker would be a place for true grinders to play. She was going against the grain of the industry in this regard, as most sites put more into recreational players than grinders. She also talked about all these new innovations she was coming up with for Lock poker, yet there have been ZERO new, innovative things at Lock, ZERO. In fact, they can't even get the standard things right, let alone incorporate anything new.

As it turns out, Jennifer has done the exact opposite of what she said in those early days. She can't be trusted with anything she says, as she's already been proven to completely misrepresent her company and her intentions with the company.

Their licensing body is a scam. I have written to them 3 times in the last 2 months and received one canned response stating they would look into it. Not a word since and I seriously doubt they even made a phone call, let alone looked into anything at all.

Yep i definately agree here: things will only change once their pockets are starting to hurt because of it, not a moment before that.

And yeah it's obvious all investments go to acquiring new players. Pretty much every affiliate site on the internet has Lock poker listed, sign new pro's to hit the Poker News all over the web, etc.

Hopefully in the next 60 days my cash out actually occurs and I never have to worry about this garbage site ever again.

Really unbelievable.

wtf are you talking about?

At a certain point, you kind of have to just.. trust people, you can't know everything or everything they do with your money. When there's obvious signs of mismanagement visible to the public, it's the only info available to us, so can only act according to that info.

Once again this is up to the company that grants the License. It is there job to audit the client accounts.

I do not know of a single company that would have an auditor in place that grants a License for them to operate that would then go to another Auditor. That just makes no sense

If u dont trust the grantor of the license, then why r u playing here?

And sorry but im sure there are thousands of more players who play on Lock compared to the few who actually use this forum.

Trust me I wish the withdraws happened faster, but saying we demand it, its just ridiculous.

And trust me, I have a few thousand stuck on FT, so I understand the frustration.

At least they're still paying out at all.. (only relief i/we got) You do still see the reports of people getting paid (like i just reported mine arriving).. takes 50+ days for Skrill and even longer for the US options, so still ridiculous ofcourse.

according to PokerScout, there's no US facing site/network where "thousands" of players are online with the exception of Bovada at slightly over 2k durring only peak hours. Where as I actually agree normally with some of what you say, when you say it like you do it makes me take a second look at it.

3815 online on Revolution right now..

Speedy ROW payouts and you guys absolutely crush every other site. WPN and Merge have major issues. WPN has the god awful Beast and Merge is trying to become Bodog part 2 with all their anti reg changes. The only thing holding Revolution back is payouts. Please speed them up. It's worth taking on an outside investor if it means catching up 100% with the pending cashouts.

If you have to start charging US players a fee to cashout, do it. I'd gladly pay the 10% fee everytime if it meant I was 100% getting my money in a week. Would beat the **** out of selling my funds for 70 cents on the dollar.

my mistake...cash players. If you want to include all categories then Zynga is the place to be hands down...over 100k currently playing there, lol.

^^^This. I would gladly pay 10% fee every time if it meant getting paid in 2 weeks or less.

im just looking at how many players on online for my source of players playing. When I play there seems to be a steady stream of 4500 or so, how that breaks up I have no idea, so maybe thats not a good number to go by, but thats what I'm using.

lol, I was little tired when I wrote this. Im just trying to make a point that people make decisions with their life savings and such into institutions that are audited and these people were still lied to about it and lost everything. This is a poker site, and that is at least up and running and servicing US. Why we think we have the RIGHT to demand answers I just find amusing. It is what it is.

I deposited $300 last night at 9pm and still have no money in my account? This is my first deposit. Western union said it was picked up? Did lock take my money and run? Any help? Lock will not resond to my emails or let me chat with them they just say we are looking into it?

Oh, lol, okay I see what you're saying then. I was made a similar comparison on a different skin's (thread using Enron as an example I think) and drew some ire & yeah McCormick zapped me on the #'s thing also

Just an observation on that one though, not that I actually think this or even think this is where you're at either, but it is worth pointing out...if one of the themes here is that we're not supposed to believe anything Lock says, why would it then be okay to believe that number posted on their site when making an argument all of a sudden? I've often wondered what PokerScout's numbers actually represent for that matter. Afaik, Lock doesn't do play money games so I'm guessing their cash player # must be excluding tournament players. Funny huh, I consider them cash players also myself...but I'm a tad on the 'tard side, lol.

Are the lock pro on lock lol never see them

+1

i am pretty sure lock just took $300 from me. western union said the money was picked up and Lock will not put it in my account. Stay away

I know you guys are getting your traffic numbers from the site itself and pokerscout, but to me those numbers are so misleading.

Most tournies have less than 200 runners.

There's 1 full ring 1/2 NL game running right now.

There's usually only 1 full ring 1/2 limit game running and that's at peak times.

I have to play lower in cash games to get a game and deal with small tourney fields, where the payouts are always more than 15% of the field.

So, most of the thousands you guys are talking about playing on lock must be playing the penny games.

This is not even close to being right, go look again, they're making alot.

Which part is not right?

LOL at you saying "this is not even close to right" and "they're making alot".

Everything I said regarding numbers are correct and I never said they aren't making money.

Well, to be fair...I don't see a full ring NL200 running right now ;P Lol, seriously though. Yeah, there's rarely a good LHE going. I only occassionally see the limit 1/2 also and I'm pretty sure what you said on the NL is probably accurate also. A decent amount of quarter/half bucks and tons of NL4's basically is what I usually see.