IMHO no content at all should be removed now or in the future. Unpin posts if you like but don't take any information about Lock off the net.

What if in the past you got a $500 transfer, does that mean you must always carry a minimum of $500 minimum balance, and can only withdraw an amount over $500?

What if you get a $500 transfer, lose it all, then deposit $500 via western union, do you still need to maintain that $500 balance to satisfy the transfer?

Completely unmanageable.

that's what i actually did. unpin the posts.

Cliff notes please?
When was the last time anyone has seen any money from lock via check WU or any other cashout method in America?
What is this about them not allowing people to cashout transferred funds?
Who is Joseph and what is this Portugal trip stuff about?
What is the going rate for lock funds now?
Also if 2p2 wants to do the right thing i think they should totally strip them of everything on this site except support and helping people get their money
TY

Its uncliffable. You're going to need some coffee.

1) It's been a while. I heard some people got a check in April. IDK if that was ROW or America tho.

1.5) The word on the street (from Lock support) is that p2p transfers are money laundering, so to protect everyone, those funds will no longer be allowed to be cashed out.

2) Joseph is our new rep. He's been so helpful!

3) The Portugal trip appears to have been a retreat Lock hosted for its pros (probably planned months ago) where they rented a hotel or a castle or something and partied it up. They were apparently instructed not to talk about it, and Shane lied when asked about it on here (he claims he didn't, but he's delusional).

4) About .350. For once that's not a joke.

5) Look around you, dude. That's pretty much exactly what's happened.

Thanks. IMHO, It would be awesome if a mod could make a sticky with the cliff notes that doesnt have all this garbage being spewed about for people who dont care to come in here and just vent to ppl that arent paying attention anyway.

This is me as well.

I do not have any funds on Lock but they are not doing the industry a bit of good with all of the garbage that they have going down.

Happy to hear 2p2 was not responsible for Shanes return. I had not really thought about it, I assumed it was Lock but who the hell knows.

As for the emails saying that " any winnings " are in fact able to be withdrawn is 'good news' until all is said and done and they go under.

Of course they will tell you that "winnings CAN be withdrawn " otherwise if they flat out told you that they could not, those playing with the 1% chance (maybe too generous? ) of a possible withdraw would stop playing all together.

This keeps them in the game and of course continues to keep them in the dark as well.

Sad sick state of affairs right here.

8 months. Wow, you give them more credit than I do. ( I do not make prop bets though, I am just saying )

I will be shocked if they make it through the summer.

Again, I say all of this stuff because it sure as hell looks like they are going under but I hope that I am totally wrong and everyone does get their money.

THEN, I do hope most people still decide to get the hell out of the place because they do not deserve any of your rake based on how they have handled this whole fiasco.

EDIT: I also went back a few posts to catch up and one other poster ( and I am sure many others ) asked a very important and logical question: If transfers are not allowed to be withdrawn then why in the hell does Lock even allow them to begin with? Just to F you guys over I assume but wth, that makes zero sense other than the F'ing over part.

they can just keep on going aslong as they keep the lights on there nothing going to close them down. they can continue to take deposits and not pay out. I think everleaf is still running, so they can run aslong as they keep up costs of basic fees and bills. 1 year -5 years who knows. im not sure there is anybody that can shut them down , they would have to close on there own . unregulated poker sites make there own rules

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This. I actually laughed out loud reading that **** about not "technically" denying the Portugal thing.

It's pretty awesome that "but how much did you win" has potential as a meme.

Thanx for the post Champstone.

I am not familiar with how the sites run, so yeah from the sounds of it, what you say makes sense and these bastards will be able to continue business as usual and that is really, really s*itty.

Even more reason that I am happy to see 2p2 pull the ads and banners and what not.

I am sure 2p2 grows daily and it would be a shame for a newer player, looking to just get into the game, see anything promoting Lock Poker on 2p2 and thinking they must be a credible place since this is a well known poker forum.

Just a sick thought period that people are still putting money onto the site.

I do not see the U.S. gov regulating online poker for the whole country in a speedy manner ( what a shocker ) but eventually when it does happen, the bulk of the U.S. players who are on Lock, will have more options available and Locks player pool will take even a bigger hit than it is now.

BTW speaking of. Anyone have updates/figures on just what is happening on that site player pool/volume wise since all this crap has been picking up more steam?

I know there have been some people posting about it but I have not really paid much attention to that aspect, although it seems like its been on a rather larger decline from what I recall.

Lock-Crap-Steam - Yes, those seem to go hand in hand.

Everleaf was "dead" over a year ago, and they still have tables running today....

Everleaf cashes all its players out though, so it's not really "dead". When is the 3-4 week period starting from whenever that statement came out? (for lock)

edit: and whats gonna happen when that time goes by if nothing is improved?

tiny bit of news, i heard from lock pro EVconsultant (who fwiw has always been a standup guy in my book and clearly has a lot of $ trapped on lock) that they will be making a statement TODAY regarding the transfer policy; he was also adamant skrill will be sorted in 2-3 weeks.

Ofc this could (the cynic in me says is) be shanespiel, but i see no reason to doubt him and he seemed relatively clued up in the little grill i gave him over the tables.

Im saving my 1time but plsssss fingers crossed let this fker turnaround, someone give tapie group a call and get them onboard.

Nikin, yes the bit about the official statement regarding transferred funds being issued today is what I have learned as well. They are going to institute a normal playthru requirement. So it appears we are finally moving forward on this.

still begs the question as how the fk this wasnt standard operating procedure from day one and why it took such a ****storm to institute a no-brainer policy.

how anyone going forward can continue to support a poker room that is this incompetent or shady(however you wanna look at it) is beyond me.

You're right. It's a simple copy and paste from other poker rooms that do it well. Then learn the new policy. It's absolutely ridiculous. There is so much fundamentally wrong with how Lock Poker does business that it blows my mind.

Agree that there is pretty much no excuse for having that in place at all. I tend to think it was more along the lines of incompetence instead of corruption on that one but arguments can certainly be made either way. And it's pretty glaring and frightening no matter how it happened. The fact that they are finally fixing it now is a good thing though. yes, took way too long. But fixing it now is better than keeping this inane policy for even one day longer (much less one year...or however long they last)

They will be calling it "temporarily" didn't allow cashouts of transferred funds. But obviously all the emails from support had been saying that there would be NO CASHOUTS ALLOWED of transferred funds. If the intention was temporary just to clear up their transfer-scandal thing then they should have said so at that time. TEMPORARY!

But obviously that was likely not their intention when they first instituted their own policy that they very possibly didn't even understand.


So yeah, it is telling and also completely odd that such a thing would happen in the first place. However, I'm not really concerned at this time about, "let's straighten out Lock so their site can thrive" and more concerned about "straighten them out enough" so that the transfer rate or cashout ability gets to something tolerable...so that all the players who want to get their funds off of there are able to do so.

I disagree. I think its pretty obvious that it wasn't just a case of incompetence when you take into account all the events leading up to this point.