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05-07-2013 , 04:53 PM
I didnt even read that article. I am just going by what others have been saying about it and that is good enough for me.

I clicked that link, saw the baby and just was like " WTF is this? " and clicked back to 2p2.

Until today, I didnt even hear of any site g911, which is weird, but I do wish I could have kept it that way.

Well said SGT and I am sure most of us could not agree more!
05-07-2013 , 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by SGT RJ
That is some special type of slum journalism.

As if one utterly contemptible human being saying something horrible somehow negates the legitimate frustration of hundreds, if not thousands, of customers.

Also notice the mischaracterization that players are upset about a play through requirement.

People who willfully and obviously distorts the truth and pass it off as journalism are disgusting. Don't bother responding on this site anymore, g911 guy. You're a joke, your site is a joke, and everyone knows that you'll say anything to make a dime. You have less integrity than Lock poker at this point. And that's saying something.
g911 and lock is a perfect match (in hell)
05-07-2013 , 08:01 PM
1. What the frack is g911?

2. I don't believe you when you say pros paid their airfare.

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Originally Posted by Chris Costigan
These events are just a drop in the bucket for successful operators.
3. Successful operators!?! LOL! Lock Poker? Successful? LOL! C'mon man! There are people that have been waiting 6 months for a check! There are people that have been waiting 4 months for a WU withdrawal. Are these signs of successful operators?

4. You point to the fact that people that requested WU withdrawals in april have already been paid as a sign that things are getting better. Well I think people getting paid that requested in April before people that requested in January is a sign of disfunction and incompetence within lock poker.
05-07-2013 , 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris Costigan
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Hi Chris. Last time you were on these forums I asked if you could disclose your relationship with Lock, and you replied that Lock was just a flat-fee advertiser with you and you were otherwise unaffiliated.

It's surprising then to hear you know intricate details of Lock's operation, like how long ago they booked a Portuguese hotel, who paid for airfare, etc.
05-07-2013 , 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris Costigan
Hi Folks,

I hope to offer some clarity for those who are freaking out over supposed ‘liquidity” problems at Lock Poker and whether CEO Jennifer Larson is spending everyone’s deposits on lavish affairs. This post won’t appease everyone but hopefully will offer reassurance to some that their funds are most likely safe.

I founded G911 in 2000 and have been involved with the industry since 1997. The Lock situation doesn’t have the telltale signs of an online gambling company about to go under. By that I mean these things usually come on suddenly and without any warning. Lock’s issues began a year ago when they started the Revolution Network. It looks to me like they are just way over their heads at the moment. They’re bringing on some good people now that should help.

I guess the media blackout is no longer in effect since Shane has confirmed a trip did take place, so allow me to offer a few details.

For the record, poker pros paid out of pocket for their airfare to this most recent retreat. Porto starts at $1000 round trip from the US.

As for the hotel, that would have been booked at least 9 months in advance. Renting out the entire hotel, Lock is going to get a steep discount price.

These events are just a drop in the bucket for successful operators. A few years back BetUS sponsored the NBA All Star Break and Alonzo Mourning luncheon. Their marketing budget was several million per year at the time. Likewise, Bodog would sponsor MTV Music Awards parties here in Miami Beach. Each of these sponsorship deals probably cost around the same as what Lock pays for these types of retreats.

Bodog and BetUS simply cut back on their marketing post-Black Friday. Lock has taken full advantage of the vacuum left behind. The retreats you read about are factored into their marketing budget. Lock’s online casino will probably generate enough revenue to pay for a single retreat within a month’s time as an FYI.

I’m just merely pointing out that the retreat in question won’t break the bank as I have seen suggested by a few people.

Lock I’m sure expected all the payment processing issues to be resolved when they first started planning this latest retreat.

As for the media blackout….

G911 was in attendance at the France event about a year-and-a-half ago. At the time Lock Poker was still on the Merge Network and paying faster than nearly everyone else as they had their own cashier on the casino side while other Merge skins were required to use the network processor. A media blackout was imposed on everyone at that time as well until after the trip had ended. The reasons for this are obvious. Online gambling companies hosting such parties do not need any “unwanted guests” showing up. Bodog, for example, hosted an extravagant party in Prague some years ago and this was by invitation only. We were all shuttled away in buses to some undisclosed and nondescript location. The year prior, Casino Affiliates Program was to host a poker tournament at their event in the Bahamas. Someone tipped off the Bahamian authorities and the game was raided. This placed quite a few affiliates in jeopardy.

US processing issues…

Most US-facing brands use the same handful of payment processors. Two of Lock’s competitors have complained to me in the past that Lock was “handling too much volume and pushing too many payouts all at once”. This was at a time when Lock was able to make payouts within a two-week time frame and everybody wanted to play here because they paid so fast. It might explain why Lock has limited access to payment processors these days.

Finding new reliable payment processors is no cakewalk either. Jennifer and other operators confirm more and more payment processors are starting to come out of the woodwork again, which is great news for US-based players but operators need to tread carefully. Processors were on shaky ground long before UIGEA was ever enacted. there were sites easily lose a million dollars every year with processors abruptly running off with funds.

In closing, we are getting reports of players who made WU payout requests last month receiving their funds in under three weeks. Hopefully that is a sign of good things to come. Me personally, if I were in charge, I would add a little something into the accounts of those who are still waiting going on three months or longer in some cases. A little good will goes a long way, just my two cents.
Hello Chris,

Congratulations on your biased, inaccurate journalism and showing you have no soul by shucking off the players that have gone through hell. You've single handedly created a great opportunity for other news sites to slam you as there isn't a shred of evidence to anything you've just mentioned.

Actually, I sincerely doubt you have a single shred of evidence backing up any of the drivel you just presented. SHOW US THE PROOF OF OTHER PLAYERS CASHING OUT THROUGH WU AND TAKING WEEKS. SHOW US THE PROOF THAT EVERY PRO PAID OUT OF POCKET AND DIDN'T GET CHARGED WITH PLAYER MONEY. Additionally, what 'telltale' signs might there be showing that Lock isn't going under? What experience do you have looking at the accounting history of internet companies and online sites about to go under to accurately give such a stupid pathetic statement? And since you are so knowledgeable about Lock's solvency and have access to their accounts, why don't you start answering the hard questions that plague us all?

If you spent less time abetting a criminal organization and more time helping take them down like the scoundrels they are, you might have got more foot traffic to that POS site you own. But again... queue the golf clap... good job showing how soulless you are by the statement you just made and how much of a joke you are as a human being.

Nice try with your attempt to try and fool a group of people who time and time again band together to successfully uncover the truth through a long history of scandals. When Lock is indicted, I hope you get served one too as you are blatantly trying to further conspiracy to commit fraud.

P.S. The poker players aren't as stupid as you make them out to be. Have fun with your chest slapping. I do believe you will one day be successful on your conquest to bite your own ear though.

Cheers,

and by cheers I of course mean **** you
05-07-2013 , 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by imjustshane
I have been asked to come back and continue posting but only in a support function.

I will not be able to answer any policy questions or any general conjecture I will only be here as a support function to assist players with any specific problems they have.
You know that's not what support means right? You were asked to only speak about support issues and not to post promotions. That simply means no promotions, what it does not mean is that you can pick and choose which posts you reply to and simply ignore the posts that would make you respond in a manner further than simply "Email Lock Security" Support doesn't mean you only answer some questions. All it means is that you can't do promotions. You and Lock really need to get it together.
05-07-2013 , 08:29 PM
The current and final status of Lock:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCp_jTXq_do

Last edited by CwazyMonter; 05-07-2013 at 08:37 PM.
05-07-2013 , 11:49 PM
Can anyone clear something up for me? When Shane said that he was asked to come back, but only in a support function, does he mean that he was asked by Lock or 2+2? I've never really been quite clear on who asked him to leave and come back, etc. Not that it matters a great deal since apparently no one from Lock is going to say anything anyway, but I was just wondering.

Last edited by DaycareInferno; 05-07-2013 at 11:56 PM. Reason: I assume Lock, but I'm dumb.
05-07-2013 , 11:59 PM
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Originally Posted by DaycareInferno
Can anyone clear something up for me? When Shane said that he was asked to come back, but only in a support function, does he mean that he was asked by Lock or 2+2? I've never really been quite clear on who asked him to leave and come back, etc. Not that it matters a great deal since apparently no one from Lock is going to say anything anyway, but I was just wondering.
Ya that part is confusing. I was assuming that he meant Lock asked him to comeback. If it was 2p2, and Lock support on here just completely abandoned ship after that 1 post by "Joesph," then it looks even worse lol. Still nothing but bad for Lock.
05-08-2013 , 12:09 AM
I had assumed it to mean that Lock had asked him to continue posting. But you are correct that it isn't really clear. I will be disappointed if Mason and Mat were the ones who asked for his return. But I guess we're stuck.
05-08-2013 , 02:20 AM
Can someone who mods this forum put NSFW on the link to a picture of a stillborn baby? Jesus.
05-08-2013 , 03:10 AM
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Originally Posted by NoahSD
Can someone who mods this forum put NSFW on the link to a picture of a stillborn baby? Jesus.
Baby looks healthy to me
05-08-2013 , 07:30 AM
Back to the OP. Lock Poker is dodging again. They are running from the hard questions. It's a terrible habit that they have in not communicating with their players and partners.

bad communicating company = bad company
05-08-2013 , 08:14 AM
post #21

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Originally Posted by imjustshane

I was careful not to lie, your information was factually incorrect. I didnt deny any Lock team members were in Portugal, I was under a media blackout and unable to confirm it and merely pointed out that your information wasn't factual.




With the delays checks have faced recently I wouldn't expect it to arrive by Sunday.

If you shoot me an email with some rough details of where you will be going fo the next few months I can talk to the cashier team about what possible solutions we have to help you.

considering that Shane was claiming to be so careful with his words in the first paragraph . Was he also being careful or sloppy with his choice of words in his last paragraph. Is he admitting that check payouts aren't going to improve any time soon since he wants to know where he is likely to be for another couple of months.
05-08-2013 , 08:20 AM
give an ultimatum to lock. if they do not create a play through requirement to withdraw funds (or some alternative measure that will allow you to cash out) and return player funds by a certain date, we as players will forfeit all financial information we have on lock relating to bank accounts, transfers, checks, Western Union, Skrill, etc. to the government and allow them to prosecute the CEO and others in charge*

*by extension, pros who recruited other players will be firmly liable based on their paychecks etc. maybe this will incentivize them to actually do something
05-08-2013 , 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by MicroBob
I had assumed it to mean that Lock had asked him to continue posting. But you are correct that it isn't really clear. I will be disappointed if Mason and Mat were the ones who asked for his return. But I guess we're stuck.

It wasn't us.
05-08-2013 , 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by bazaro
*by extension, pros who recruited other players will be firmly liable based on their paychecks etc. maybe this will incentivize them to actually do something
I think you might be mistaken.
05-08-2013 , 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by DonSwanLeon
I think you might be mistaken.
"Aiding and abetting is an additional provision in United States criminal law, for situations where it cannot be shown the party personally carried out the criminal offense, but where another person may have carried out the illegal act(s) as an agent of the charged, working together with or under the direction of the charged party, who is an accessory to the crime."

ainal obv
05-08-2013 , 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by bazaro
"Aiding and abetting is an additional provision in United States criminal law, for situations where it cannot be shown the party personally carried out the criminal offense, but where another person may have carried out the illegal act(s) as an agent of the charged, working together with or under the direction of the charged party, who is an accessory to the crime."

ainal obv

Well

Perhaps you open a new thread, if you want to debate. Let's not derail this thread here.
05-08-2013 , 08:38 AM
For those not following ALL the Lock threads (understandable as there are like 7 of them now spread across this forum and NVG), two emails were posted in the main NVG thread yesterday confirming that transferred funds cannot be withdrawn, with NO specification of a play through requirement.

One did state, however, that winnings can be withdrawn. Success!

05-08-2013 , 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by SGT RJ
For those not following ALL the Lock threads (understandable as there are like 7 of them now spread across this forum and NVG), two emails were posted in the main NVG thread yesterday confirming that transferred funds cannot be withdrawn, with NO specification of a play through requirement.

One did state, however, that winnings can be withdrawn. Success!

Heads up for rollz?
05-08-2013 , 08:45 AM
It's play money, so sure, why not?

But seriously, I do not have money on Lock. I'm merely an observer from that perspective, albeit one who is just generally outraged at how badly players are being treated.
05-08-2013 , 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by SGT RJ
It's play money, so sure, why not?

But seriously, I do not have money on Lock. I'm merely an observer from that perspective, albeit one who is just generally outraged at how badly players are being treated.
I know. Just some gallows humor. However I'm half serious if my check gets canceled
05-08-2013 , 08:48 AM
the ultimate irony is that their xfer policy is going to encourage more chip dumping, not less
05-08-2013 , 09:08 AM
I'm not at all sure that isn't part of their plan to seize funds.

They can start closing down accounts and confiscating funds due to chip dumping and boost their obviously empty coffers, maybe giving an appearance of solvency.

      
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