I would like to see the #s to support this. My thinking is that a higher return for the plethora of players at micro stakes far outweighs the hit the handful of MSNL grinders take.

I could be wrong and really don't feel like doing the math, but I'm pretty sure I'm right.

Im not quite sure you can be "right" until after this month is over. Then you can see how much they pay out August vs September.

But there are a ton more people who play .5/1 and below vs 1/2 and higher. I mean it appears the bonus is twice as good at lower levels and half as good at higher ones?(on a phone so tough keeping track of it all) If 4x as many people are getting double rewards compared to those getting rewards cut in half it is a net positive for the player pool.

It's also possible for the promo to be better for both the collective player pool and Lock at the same time. Lock doesn't have to pay out more $ necessarily for the promo to be "better".

The majority of players on Lock are lower stakes, lower volume, casual players that will all benefit from the new structure IMO. Remember 2+2 members are only a small percentage of their players.

well i know how much they gave back in the promo this month so it should be easy to estimate next month. would be happy to make a wager. Kind of a dumb argument to have unless someone does the math. I'll try to talk someone into doing it so I don't have to.

Pretty sure the promo isn't "better" if they give back less money. I still think there is nice value in this promo, but seems like much less than ronin to me.

If they give $25000 to 1% of players and $100 to 99% of players(assume 1000 players)

Vs

If they give everyone $300

Which would you consider "better" for the player pool as a whole? I would say the 2nd option, despite the amount of $ being paid out(349k vs 300k) and average payout(349 vs 300) being lower bc the median payout is 3x larger(100 vs 300) and it benefits more players.

The 2nd option also creates a healthier player pool IMO bc money flows up the stakes, this isn't trickle down economics.

well you can make hypothetical arguments but the actual numbers are what matter not the ones you made up so you should probably do the actual math instead of some made up math if you want to support your argument

I'm 95% sure this is correct but I want to confirm anyway:

So even though my Lock lobby shows eastern time, they are now going by GMT time, right?

So the day/month begins at 8:00pm eastern time? True for daily promotions (such as qualifying for Lock Lotto) as well as the beginning of the next month for BOTK?

Sorry for not knowing this. Just haven't bothered checking to see when my admin page refreshes to show it is the "next day" or anything like that. Easier to confirm here with everyone (as well as serve as a reminder for those who didn't know).

can anyone confirm that this promotion starts at 8 PM EST tonight? I'm not sure when their servers are resetting or whatever.

i read somewhere yesterday that their server time is GMT so yes it would start at 8pm eastern time

I think i got that info from the timestamp on a transfer, so I would infer that is correct but I don't know if they go by that time for their promos, maybe shane will answer.

Yes i know the #s are made up. But out of the hypotheticals which do you think is better?

You seem to think total $ given out and average $ given out are the best metrics to measure how good the promo is. I disagree and think how many players benefit and the median amount of $ given out are better metrics. And i think the latter is benefited by this BOTK vs the Ronin.

Nxtwrldchamp, I think your argument could be correct but it would depend on how big the difference is between the amount of money given out imo.

Anyone who benefits more from BOTK personally is going to be happy with it, anyone who doesn't, won't be. I will lose a lot of value in the change so I am not going to be happy with it.

Im not exactly thrilled either as i had an MGR over 5k in August. My point is that the people who say Shane was incorrect when he said this promo was "better" than Ronin are probably wrong when you consider the whole player pool.

You are correct. Hopefully everyone realizes this as last month some people missed the cutoff.

I do not benefit more from BOTK than I did with Ronin. But I am happy with it. So there. (I'm not kidding)

I would not be happy with BOTK if it were the only amount of value involved in playing on Lock. But that's not the case so is a moot scenario.

actually you do unless you aren't playing at all. You said earlier in the thread that you are going on vacation at the beginning of September so the increased number of prizes at lower levels will allow you to still get prizes after your vacation likely.

And yes, lock has other value outside BOTK, which is why I don't think they needed to change it from Ronin. Or at least I don't think they needed to remove as much value from upper levels, or middle levels as they did. I am happy there are more prizes at lower levels but there are a lot and the higher levels suffer as a result.

And by the higher levels "suffering" you mean that getting 70% instead of 85% rakeback, right? (or 90% instead of 110% or whatever)

I have no idea what you mean by your point in the second paragraph. Because they give value elsewhere they didn't need to change Ronin? The combined value is over 100% for some players. Obviously they needed to change something. Complaining about them lowering the 100%+ total rakeback by 10-20% or so is ludicrous imo.

I am exceedingly happy with the value on Lock. It's one of the few things they do so well that it would be totally ridiculous to complain about....in spite of a reduction of value in the rake-chase which is ONE out of FIVE freaking different things of value that they give (and probably rates 3rd highest out of those 5 although we don't know the value of the leaderboard yet).

I'm not on vacation for a couple of days anyway so would be landing the first few levels of BOTK either way.

I will make less from BOTK this month than I would have made with Ronin. I am extremely happy with BOTK. It is part of an exceptional value package that Lock gives their customers. Compared with my other concerns about their site (cashouts, customer support, etc) it is easily the biggest thing that is keeping me on their site.

Has there been anything posted about the leaderboards? The month starts soon and I haven't seen anything on that announced promotion.

Someone please confirm exactly when day/month begins. I was thinking local time 12PST. I thought I had 7 more hrs to go with ronin. Is it really ET or even London time?

Starts in about a minute, AFAIK.


...Yup,,, GO!

LET THE BATTLE BEGIN YOU ****IN' KNAVES HAZZZZAHHHHHHH KNIGHTS

gl everyone.

The new month has just begun...the servers are on GMT. Plan on grinding right away this month to not miss out. Good luck everyone!

what happened to the whole cash leader board thing?

I'm guessing it will be added tonight sometime.