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12-29-2012 , 07:00 PM
Enough is enough.

Over 30 days to receive money owed is unfair, unacceptable, and bad business practice. Let us not even get into the fact that the average wait time to receive money from Lock Poker, as of today, is more like 45-55 days to be generous.

The point of playing poker is to make money. What is the point of playing on Lock Poker if we can't get our money.

If you build a respectable bankroll or hit a big score you can only withdrawal $2,000 at a time, every 30 days. Do the math. It's not worth the effort. Sure you can do p2p transfers, but the current Lock Poker transfer VIG is 30%! That means if I transfer $2,000, I'm only going to receive $1,400! More info unfortunately here: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/tr...hp?thread=1529

So what's the point.

To be fair, I like Lock Poker. I like the amount of traffic. I like the good mtt guarantees. The software is not the best but I'll put up with that as long as there are good tourneys to play. What I won't put up with is not getting money in my pocket when I win.

As I type this I realize, "Hey wait a minute dumbazz, online poker is illegal in the US. How/Why the h3ll are you b1tchin? You're lucky you can even play!" haha this is true. And maybe that's the problem. Online poker is illegal in the United States.

Nonetheless, I am officially taking my poker business elsewhere, to a business that can meet my needs.

Lock SN: yell4george
12-29-2012 , 08:02 PM
I'm with you man

Lock SN: 1chipper1
12-29-2012 , 09:04 PM
I've already taken my business elsewhere, as Lock has owed me money for over 2 months and have lied to me, ignored me and have taken zero responsibility for any of it.

It's a good thing there still are sites left for us in the US that don't treat us so poorly.
12-29-2012 , 10:22 PM
1) 30% vig is gross, it's a lot indeed. That being said, with the insanely high rakeback, you could also see it as a cut in your rakeback.. it doesn't make me for one less worried about the overall state of this site, though, so keep that in mind aswell.

2) I'm not US, i'm Belgian rather, but i at first also thought poker was illegal in the US. The truth is, it wasn't illegal, and since FTP/Stars was taken down, nothing changed, no laws regarding poker passed, or got changed, NOTHING CHANGED. FTP/Stars were taken down for others reasons than poker being illegal altogether. The DOJ basically put out a campaign of instilling fear into the people that it is illegal, afaik, know your rights, because apparantly it isn't illegal at all. I'm sure you can find this info on the internet.
12-29-2012 , 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Mccormick
1) 30% vig is gross, it's a lot indeed. That being said, with the insanely high rakeback, you could also see it as a cut in your rakeback.. it doesn't make me for one less worried about the overall state of this site, though, so keep that in mind aswell.

2) I'm not US, i'm Belgian rather, but i at first also thought poker was illegal in the US. The truth is, it wasn't illegal, and since FTP/Stars was taken down, nothing changed, no laws regarding poker passed, or got changed, NOTHING CHANGED. FTP/Stars were taken down for others reasons than poker being illegal altogether. The DOJ basically put out a campaign of instilling fear into the people that it is illegal, afaik, know your rights, because apparantly it isn't illegal at all. I'm sure you can find this info on the internet.
True, but putting money on the site or taking money off of it is...kinda the same for all practical purposes
12-29-2012 , 11:13 PM
After another quick read, found this article that basically says the same as you just said, "but they won't ever catch you because of the high amount of transactions that go on every day and almost no way to track them".

Yeah.. for all intends and purposes, indeed illegal then, oh well.
12-29-2012 , 11:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mccormick
After another quick read, found this article that basically says the same as you just said, "but they won't ever catch you because of the high amount of transactions that go on every day and almost no way to track them".

Yeah.. for all intends and purposes, indeed illegal then, oh well.
Well, I imagine Mr. Bitar probably would disagree with saying they have no way of tracking them, lol. But, yeah, other than the sites taking advantage of the situation, individual players have little legal liability to worry on.
12-30-2012 , 12:27 AM
I've moved my action back over to Juicy. The client is way better, support is way better, and they don't try to stiff you every way they can. Basically you know what your gonna get as opposed to lock where i'm constantly wondering what ridiculous policy nobody knows about is gonna stiff me next. Also they make it very easy for me to stay away from casino games seeing as they are an actual poker site where you can exclude yourself from casino games without shutting down the whole cashier.

Just gonna end it by saying that Lock Poker is by far the most poorly run site i have ever experienced. And i suspect it is in direct correlation with their shadyness.
12-30-2012 , 12:30 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mccormick
1) 30% vig is gross, it's a lot indeed. That being said, with the insanely high rakeback, you could also see it as a cut in your rakeback.. it doesn't make me for one less worried about the overall state of this site, though, so keep that in mind aswell.

2) I'm not US, i'm Belgian rather, but i at first also thought poker was illegal in the US. The truth is, it wasn't illegal, and since FTP/Stars was taken down, nothing changed, no laws regarding poker passed, or got changed, NOTHING CHANGED. FTP/Stars were taken down for others reasons than poker being illegal altogether. The DOJ basically put out a campaign of instilling fear into the people that it is illegal, afaik, know your rights, because apparantly it isn't illegal at all. I'm sure you can find this info on the internet.
Mccormick you're not Belgian, you're IRISH! haha
12-30-2012 , 05:08 AM
Count me in. Lock is a joke. I can't even count how many times I tried to help them out...all for nothing.

Lock Poker= Epic Fail
12-30-2012 , 06:56 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jamthe3
True, but putting money on the site or taking money off of it is...kinda the same for all practical purposes
Pretty sure there was recently (this month) another clarification on the Federal level that explicitly stated that gambling (and poker) wasn't covered under the Wire Act and thus it should be a non-issue at this point going forward.

Where this will really hit home is when States want to regulate within their borders, knowing that the Federal Government won't knock on the door and tell them to shut it down.

No clue how much of this has to do with Lock, but good news is better than bad news, which is the majority of what we find in the headlines over the last few years.
12-30-2012 , 07:10 AM
I am also retiring from Lock and moving over to WPN. I'm going to buy a new labtop just to make the switch. Just deciding between America's Cardroom and Black Chip at the moment. Any suggestions?

Also, from what I've been reading ACR and BCP are delivering checks on average within 2 weeks so that, for me, is a Huge upgrade and massive plus. Lock is downright ridiculous and anything longer than 3 weeks is absurd. 1-2 Weeks is the longest it should take in my opinion.
12-30-2012 , 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by GFkMP
I am also retiring from Lock and moving over to WPN. I'm going to buy a new labtop just to make the switch. Just deciding between America's Cardroom and Black Chip at the moment. Any suggestions?

Also, from what I've been reading ACR and BCP are delivering checks on average within 2 weeks so that, for me, is a Huge upgrade and massive plus. Lock is downright ridiculous and anything longer than 3 weeks is absurd. 1-2 Weeks is the longest it should take in my opinion.
i'm doing the same really..just waiting on that big poker tourny series that starts on the 13th..and saw the same with checks..seems everyone is getting em in 20 days..and the debit card is like hours to 1 day to get ur funds..i'm down..

one thing i don't see are plo8 games..but i can live with that i guess

my instincts are telling me that something is wrong on lock and i'd be better off dropping my fuinds elsewhere..they might have alot of traffic..but i think that's gonna change in a big way soon

and here's a conspiracy theory to chew...if the p2p trade vig is 30% for lock..who is to say it's not some lock guys actually buying their funds back for 30% on the dollar lol..that would be brilliant! (although i have no proof whatsoever and totally going off the wall on that prolly) i recently had someone trying to charge me 40% and would not budge (did not sell to him/her)
12-30-2012 , 10:19 AM
I know a NY judged ruled that poker was a game of skill, not of chance (http://www.pokernews.com/news/2012/0...-act-13275.htm).

Additionally, the Assistant US Attorney General has stated recently and officially that the opinion is the wire act applies only to sports gambling. The original intent of the act was to cut out organized crime (http://online.liebertpub.com/doi/abs...glre.2012.1674)

At any rate, regardless of all that, there's still that pesky UIGEA...and thats the part that makes online poker in the U.S. so frustrating... the part about financial institutions not allowing money in or out from said gambling institutions. Lets hope this gets worked out soon. Costa Rica's looking mighty good right now


Quote:
Originally Posted by LiarsDice
Pretty sure there was recently (this month) another clarification on the Federal level that explicitly stated that gambling (and poker) wasn't covered under the Wire Act and thus it should be a non-issue at this point going forward.

Where this will really hit home is when States want to regulate within their borders, knowing that the Federal Government won't knock on the door and tell them to shut it down.

No clue how much of this has to do with Lock, but good news is better than bad news, which is the majority of what we find in the headlines over the last few years.
12-30-2012 , 02:29 PM
I think i might be joining this list. Faster cashouts and the sportsbetting seem like too much to resist. I've tried to stick it out with lock, but I think I'm at my breaking point. The software keeps crashing on me too.
12-30-2012 , 02:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by luckyduck07
i'm doing the same really..just waiting on that big poker tourny series that starts on the 13th..and saw the same with checks..seems everyone is getting em in 20 days..and the debit card is like hours to 1 day to get ur funds..i'm down..

one thing i don't see are plo8 games..but i can live with that i guess

my instincts are telling me that something is wrong on lock and i'd be better off dropping my fuinds elsewhere..they might have alot of traffic..but i think that's gonna change in a big way soon

and here's a conspiracy theory to chew...if the p2p trade vig is 30% for lock..who is to say it's not some lock guys actually buying their funds back for 30% on the dollar lol..that would be brilliant! (although i have no proof whatsoever and totally going off the wall on that prolly) i recently had someone trying to charge me 40% and would not budge (did not sell to him/her)
I thought about this too............
12-30-2012 , 03:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DeegsNeegs
I think i might be joining this list. Faster cashouts and the sportsbetting seem like too much to resist. I've tried to stick it out with lock, but I think I'm at my breaking point. The software keeps crashing on me too.
Playing on Lock was just a nightmare for me in every way, including being disconnected several times a session. I also ran worse on that site than any I've played on since 2004, the beats were disgusting, constant and Lock just isn't for me.

I'm trying out a couple of sites and so far haven't been disconnected once.

Maybe Lock with straighten everything out, maybe they won't, but I'm not gonna pay for misery in the mean time lol
12-31-2012 , 01:03 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LiarsDice
Pretty sure there was recently (this month) another clarification on the Federal level that explicitly stated that gambling (and poker) wasn't covered under the Wire Act and thus it should be a non-issue at this point going forward.

Where this will really hit home is when States want to regulate within their borders, knowing that the Federal Government won't knock on the door and tell them to shut it down.

No clue how much of this has to do with Lock, but good news is better than bad news, which is the majority of what we find in the headlines over the last few years.
Actually, they put that out a few months ago, yet they still went ahead with their court cases pending, lol. Funny thing about that DOJ release is that it actually states that "interstate" is fine, yet all we hear about is "intrastate" possibilities here and there.
12-31-2012 , 03:15 AM
Amen, amen, amen

I'm going on 5 weeks now on a $500 cashout. Once this FINALLY comes in, I'll probably have to wait another 3 years for my second cashout to arrive.

I've already made my decision and Lock Poker is in my past. And it won't be missed.

Username: Nguyenning
01-02-2013 , 10:40 PM
This post deserves a bump
01-03-2013 , 02:27 AM
lock fix your **** yalll. ROW cashouts are a joke and it screams something is going on behind the scenes. if other sites can do it why cant you?
01-07-2013 , 07:26 PM
Im very sad to admit that I too am a victim of Lock poker ... I want my $$ ...such a horrible site

      
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