The reason hyper turbo guys would do well in this thing is also related to the enormous amount of rake they play with all those tourneys. It's not like they get in a ton of extra tourneys for free. They are perfectly deserving imo.

The leaderboard went offline for september?Page won't load anymore...

http://lockpoker.eu/promos/battle-of...nights/prizes/ is down?

It's the fact that these are heads-up SNGs that are the biggest problem, although being hyper-turbo exasperates it.

But to your point, yes, they did play for free. These are the guys that achieved the highest levels on the rake chase, getting better than 100% rakeback. And they did it playing heads up, so it didn't generate a lot of extra rake. When they played each other, Lock literally paid them to.

But I'm not saying they didn't deserve what they won. I'm saying they are problematic for the SNG leaderboard given the current formula. I can't recall if Softie made level 24 or 34 on the rake chase, but when the page returns I will add up all the bonuses he earned and then compare it to the first place prize on the tourny leaderboard ($720?) he also won. And will likely win again.

In comparison to the rake chase it is a small sum. Structuring the leaderboard formula this way is counter-productive to the purpose of the SNG leaderboard, imo.

If they are basically tourney flipping with each other to take advantage of the system then they should not be eligible. You don't even need to restrict headsup hypers necessarily. Only those who play them with the intention of gaming the system. If it is two guys flipping with each other over and over then disqualify them and give warning that further attempts to not play legitimately will result in confiscation of funds.

Does the day start at midnight eastern US time?

8pm est

It already started 2 hours ago i believe.

I dont think thats what they are doing, Microbob. In fact they both have positive ROI's, so I highly doubt it.

The point is that they already earn the most money from the BOTK promotion. Having a SNG leaderboard that is structured in a way that rewards them a little bit more seems pointless to me. (And I don't think that is Locks intention, I just don't think they have thought it through) They already have every incentive to put in volume.

Stars does not include heads-up tournaments in their leaderboard. (Or DON's)

Merge's leaderboard was quickly dominated by hyper-turbos. I don't recall if they allowed heads-up, but I don't think so.

I don't even know if we're using the same formula as last month when every MTT tournament was included, but if we are, I think it needs to be changed. Or some tournament types should be discluded.

The SNG Leaderboard is up. It is the same formula, and simply says "Sit & Go Tournaments only".

I guess time will tell.

Where are the results for the September Knights of Skill thing?

Yes, they very strongly implies that the formula would be the same.

If they aren't flipamenting then I'm okay with them.

They have leaderboard things on Stars as well. At the highest levels like $100+ SNG's it is going to be a lot of the same guys over and over again and essentially works like an extra form of rakeback for them.

The leaderboards reward volume as well as ROI. And when THEY play for free that doesn't mean their opponents always are.

I do think the leaderboards could be structured better. Separate categories for different buy-in levels and/or turobs vs. regular or something. But it's clear they just want main leaderboards that cross over everything. One leaderboard for cash-games and one for tourneys. And I don't think it's right to exclude them just because they play so many more than everyone.

Remember, they do have to actually put up winning numbers to make the leaderboard. So kudos to those if they are legitimately doing that and also cranking out a 2% ROI over a zillion tourneys. I still think that's more deserving than some guy who runs 14% ROI over a piddly 72 tourneys in a week or something.

This.

Lock, please put this back up on the site. Removing it right before the finish and right before the prizes are too be awarded is just weird.

when did I ever say this?

When is the Aussie millions tourny gonna be for all the people on the leaderboard?

is anybody getting the prizes for the October BOTK? seems like something is wrong w the prize level page as well

I'm not but it's probably due to the overload of people playing/checking the page... usually takes a few hours for it to kick in under normal circumstances much less first 6 hours of competition

there it goes..everything updated now

FWIW, here's a simpler and equivalent formula for the SNG LB points.

ROI × Tournaments × 2


The even simpler formula ROI × Tournaments would yield an identical ranking.

It appears there was an attempt to scale for the disparity in game time among various tournaments, but that attempt failed.

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Pretty much, but a percentage is usually expressed with a decimal, 10% = .10, which is why they added the x10.

So, ROI# X Tournaments = points.

I think I see what your saying (although, if you want to express 10% as "10", you need to multiply by 100). Your theory that the 10 is to get a more "friendly" range for the final number definitely does seem plausible.

Anyway, my point is just that the parenthesis have no effect whatsoever in the formula (ROI × (Tournaments/5)) × 10.

The use of (Tournaments/5) seems to imply they wanted less weight on the number of tournaments. It doesn't work that way.

For exmple, (ROI/5) × (Tournaments × 10) gives exactly the same number.

I had it wrong. Its actually: (ROI# X Tournaments/2) = points.

And sure, you could express that different ways as well.

sorry I thought it was implied that Lock couldn't afford to pay 2 million if they had more obtainable levels.. They could easily pay out the 2 million under the current system because the levels are ridiculously high and unobtainable.. I guess I am in the minority of not liking the fact that they advertise that they have twice in prizes of what they pay out. I was under the impression this was a forum where could give feedback on how Lock could improve their promotions. It's no different then you and the other guy that bashed me complaining about how they need to improve the leaderboards..

Fixed?