+1 every word of it.

also, its in very poor taste of shane to even float the idea of taking a bet. his income comes from customer deposits. its a slap in the face to people waiting many months for their withdrawal.

I think that it's safe to assume that Shane wasn't intending to bet with company money or on behalf of the company. Do the customers have a say in what Shane spends his income on? Is it worse for Shane to spend his money on a wager versus, say, hookers and blow?

But, this is all a distraction from what needs to happen. Shane needs to drop the off-the-record gossip, and Lock needs to make some sort of official declaration -- EVEN IF THEY REVISE IT LATER -- because the uncertainty is causing people to whip themselves up into a lather.

Shane, we need an adult.

My unsolicited advice to you: issue a temporary edict placing a withdrawal hold on transferred funds for slightly longer than the current withdrawal time frame. Get your money laundering thing under control. Lift the withdrawal hold.

never implied he would bet with company money. he works for lock, is paid by lock and the money he would eventually bet with (although his own) has come from people waiting a long time for a single withdrawal.

i just think its poor taste for a representative from any company to bet against their own customers.

The majority of the things Shane says lately are non constructive and/or in poor taste. He's a lousy representative, or i suppose one could argue he's an excellent representative since it is Lock he's representing.

Put yourself in his position.Hes the rep for everyones online poker "monster" now.
He gets dished ALOT of grief.Well deserved grief,but im pretty sure most of the things he gets thrown are out of his control.
His job is basically to get dumped on and yelled at and put in bad situations day in and day out.Although he still chooses to stay with lock for reasons unbeknownst to us.
People really should realize hes not the bad guy...Just the bad guys minion.

Shane's efforts and attempts are not noble.

I have deduced from Shane's postings here that he's not an idiot. In fact, he does quite an impressive job with spin-doctoring and raising false hope.

Since Shane is not learning-disabled, we can rule out that he is fooled by Jennifer Larson's BS. Shane knows very well that he's peddling lies, just as Sebok did, just as FTPDoug did.

Shane's job is to keep the masses from rioting, and to give an appearance of legitimacy to a very illegitimate company and situation. His job is extremely tough, especially now that Lock basically has no money and has to find creative excuses to avoid paying anyone without looking broke.

Shane hopes that repeating "Cashouts have been getting better" over and over will convince people that it's true.

He hopes that his tall tales about a Lock "secondary market" cashout scheme will pacify people who are in a panic about their large withdrawals being canceled.

Shane is the Baghdad Bob of Lock Poker.

His explanations are pure nonsense, and it's not even worth debating with him. Lock is broke. The money in your account is worthless unless Lock manages to convince enough suckers to deposit under false pretenses.

None of the current set of excuses and debates really matter.

At the end of the day, Lock has no money to pay you.

Sure, they might process the odd cashout here and there in order to give the appearance that they're not busto, but nearly everyone else will be in the same boat: Unpaid and cheated.

Or that ^

Hey guys, 99.9% of people poker players included have to lie at their job.

Well, where it might or might not be true that 99.9% of people actually lie at their job, 99.9% of people do not actually HAVE to ; most who do simply CHOOSE to...imho

Actually, what's kinda weird is that Rational Group (ya know, Pstars, Full tilt, PCA, EPT, etc) claims to employ roughly 1500 people; not saying the math holds up here, however, it is interesting to note that just by going down the 2 skins (which happen to command the current top 2 traffic numbers according to PokerScout [a number approximately 36 times greater than the entire Revolution network, btw]) math ratio one would come to a 42 employee count on a skin with say 670 average players...not saying that would be a fair or accurate count mind you, just saying that I think I could talk to not only a specific person outa 42 but actually each and every one of them in less than a week.

Seems odd that it would take a day or two on an important issue.

Just tell her she looks nice in the dress, your life will be 100xs better. Trust me.

Lol, you missed the whole intent/direction the post was written with...read it again and think about it...then add a wink; or apologize, either's fine with me.

Not necessarily true

http://www.4flush.com/online-poker-n...a-gaming/13749

No more cashouts for P2P transfers,Theyre all solid

Will you be settling up with a Lock transfer? Because if you do all my funds will be worthless.

imjustshane

This is funny. Players who can't cash out or get their money off Lock but still play on the site can't figure out why Shane who gets paid from Lock stays with the company.

You realize he doesnt HAVE to work for them right?

BTW anyone know how to change password on Lock??I cant figure it out for the life of me

I don't agree with most of what shane does etc but this statememt imo is a little out there.

Shane, what are you going to do about this.

It is pathetic that you are essential making the money on my account worthless.
This is the message I get from your support. The incompetence on your end is so ridiculous high, that no wonder everyone rightly thinks you are scamming us.

You are stealing peoples money!

Sort this out.
I play everyday on lock, and made a transfer to an account which never deposited, and they send me the money back, and now I can NEVER withdraw. Its pathetic.

i cant think of a situation where a company would allow an official representative in a public forum, bet against their own customers and potentially profit from them at the same time. especially in a situation, when the bet has to do with customer funds and at the same time his paychecks are derived through customer deposits.

just my opinion. no attempt to derail the thread.

if they didn't want people cashing out through player transfers why even have it all? Why not just take away p2p transfers instead they just block anybody who received a transfer from getting a cashout only further devaluing the trading price. Thats why i believe this is a ploy just to drop the value of Lock funds.

Yo bros it is pretty absurd that 2+2 is allowing you guys to advertise here still. You are clearly not a solvent company at this point and how you will actually pay people back is a huge question mark to me.

BTW the idea of not allowing people to withdraw after receiving a transfer is a *COMPLETE* joke of a "policy".

Meetings happened last week with the security team and management, you might recall me posting that security was asking I direct all questions to them because they had all of the information. It was their preference to continue with this model but I insisted that the 2+2 community weren't getting clear enough answers and they agreed to set aside some time to go over it while we are meeting on other issues this week.


I love that you accuse me of spin doctoring while at the same time running around trying to claim that Lock lost all its money in the Cyprus banking scandal of 2012. Nothing you say is true, you just wildly speculate to fit an idea you have in your head which has never been correct.


As above I have several meetings over the next couple of days and wasn't sure when I would get a chance to get the security guys to sit down and go through all of this with me.

As for the betting thing I find it kind of absurt that everyone keeps throwing out these random dates that they wholehearted believe Lock will go under by. To to prove the absurdity of these rumours I offer to bet against them. The fact that despite everyone agreeing with their forum posts that these rumours will prove true yet no one has taken the bet seems rather telling. Clearly people believe these rumours enough to post about them, but not enough to support them with an actual bet. And now we come full circle and say how awful it is that I offered to bet on the subject.

So people believe Lock will go under, they offer a date and set a line, but if someone stands against them and offers to take the bet that person is bad?

Im here still because I still believe in Lock, I know we will be around still past all these lines people have set and am willing to put my own money up to say so. I stand behind the room I represent.

Here's the thing shane, no-one with even half a functioning braincell would bet against you if they've read a good amount of the topics in the lock subforum. Why? Well, if it's wasn't already obvious, it's because everything you seem to post (that is of some importance) turns out to be either:

a) a downright lie
b) misrepresentation of the facts
c) promises that never materialize

A few examples: Your never-ending, monthly, promises that cashouts are improving (and no, the fact that there have been a few cashouts processed recently, while there's still ppl who have been waiting 50+ days does not constitute proof that cashouts are improving), the whole new processing arsenal debacle and your general propagandistic rhetoric which usually takes a few hours to be totally picked apart by multiple people.

If someone does take this bet of yours (idk if you've posted odds and a max amount u'd be willing to bet, if not please do) would you agree to both parties' money being held in escrow by a reputable third party?