Oh... So you deny that Lock has, for the last 2+ years, offered more under the table deals than any other US facing site. Breaking Merge (and Revolution) network rules in order to poach hundreds of high volume regs from Merge before they were forcibly removed was just something that was imagined and hallucinated by this community.



You've misinterpreted those signs. Merge pays US players in 6-7 weeks again after they fixed their check processing issue (something Lock has been unable to do for over 1.5 years) and 5 figure ROW payouts are 2-3 business days. A BBJ winner from Merge recently moved to Canada, set up Skrill, and rec'd a 94k Skrill withdrawal in 8 business days... he is not a high volume player by any means. There is a HUGE difference in payouts between Merge and Lock...

No one has said anything about Intertops receiving or not receiving reconciliation payments. However, a number of other operators have publicly come out and stated that the network doesn't pay them. I have personally confirmed with SIX DIFFERENT POKER ROOMS on the Revolution Gaming Network that the network is in arrears with regard to payments. Yet you Shame, continue to purport that Lock is 100% up to date and blame Cake on mismanaging payments.


Lock has now heavily damaged 2 networks in 2 years. Your company has caused irreparable damage to the online poker industry and continues to do so. Shame on you and your company and it's business practices which threaten the industry many of us earn our livelihood from.




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Kahn

not at all a rigtard but have always felt this account was sketch as ****. 300+ buyins in 11k hands is absurd

http://www.pokertableratings.com/cak...search/mavrmil

Thats crazy never seen anything like that before.

Guy runs mega hot at 2c/4c over a 12.2k hand sample is not evidence of cheating IMO. Is it a 4th std deviation event, maybe a 5th... sure. I'd be more inclined to question if there were tons of these happening or if it were over higher stakes.

Also FYI, there are known bugs with PTR and the Cake/Revolution network. There are special characters that cause lots of guys to have insane graphs. My own personal graph on that network shows me winning 20BB/100 over 80k hands. In reality it was more like 2BB/100. While "mavril" doesn't have any special characters, it seems plausible that somehow this same bug is applicable to his account.


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Kahn

Probably a scammer chipdumping or something.

I love how Lock tries the "fair play segregation" to get their greedy hands on even more money and it all backfires.....glad to see this site fail and will join in the party when it crumbles to the ground and Shane needs to find a new job.....extra ketchup and napkins please Shane - thanks!

I'm well aware, Kahn. Only thing is there are no special characters in this user name. No "_" or anything. For some reason you can't access the session info anymore on PTR (at least I can't) but when you could it was literally rinse repeat. Random would sit at a empty 4nl Shallow table, Mavrmil snap sits, plays every hand awesome (limping the button with JTo when the BB has A4o but at the same time vs the same villain will raise a button limp with T9o when the limper has 96o), stacks the fish in like 5-15 hands, and is gone.

I've kept an eye on this account for a long time, have had discussions with a moderator about it (their advice was to post the info) and have kept my mouth shut because the fact I didn't want to be ridiculed seeing its a 4nl account.

It's just been going on for too long, though, and when I seen an entry way into having this discussion I took it.

It's not from one individual chip dump like was suggested. It literally snap sits people at empty 4nl Shallow tables at all times of the day, plays the quickest sessions of all time (seriously stacks every player within like 15 hands) and is gone.

AFAIK even though PTR may mis-record your wins and loses if you have special characters in your name it still accurately records player tendencies. This is Mavrmil.




The other thing is I can never actually find the guy. Like it says hes online right now but I don't see him anywhere?

Definitely strange......according to ptr, these are his biggest wins vs. opponents:



So he's not dumping from one account, and the most he won from anybody is 30 bucks.

It's probably an error on ptr's part. Have you asked them about it?

I haven't. I mean, in all likely hood it is an error but based on everything we know there shouldn't be any associated with the account. Who ****ing knows, though. Back when the sessions tab was working I did see it misplay hands so its unlikely its superusing or anything, but like I said it just seems sooo sketchy.

lol

Any word on how this new segregation affects husngs?

Those stats look shady as ****

Kahn you forget that before I worked at Lock I worked at Merge, where it was my job to look into under the table deals. In my 2-3 years in the Merge client services team there were lots of accusations of under the table deals (usually started by your usual source) but very little evidence of it.

Now did we push the limits of what we could give back to players, yes of course we did, but we did it openly and when it broke network rules such as the casino bonus it was reigned in and we had to deal with the flack from that.

What really pisses me off is the chief source of the under the table deals was a room that hasn't had an original marketing thought in the last 5 years, and in their mind the only reason anyone could actually compete with them is dodgy deals. When in reality other people just worked harder and did more. The greatest evidence of this is that after everyone they blamed for their problems left they still kept shrinking and shrinking and now despite having all of the "vultures" removed and despite having solid processing they have still shrunk and faded into obscurity. If everything is our fault how have they not thrived since we left?


As for the Cake stuff you really need to open your eyes a little. I would have thought that someone who has been around as long as you might remember the trail of money problems the network has had. Its not like details are hard to find on the internet. From the Doyles saga, to Pokerlistings and then to our deal falling through. There are plenty of obvious signs there, but you put on your "Lock is evil" hat and just pin everything on us. If we left Revolution tomorrow paying all that was owed as we did any rooms that hadn't been paid before wouldn't suddenly get paid.

That accounts need brought to attention of security.

Good discussion. I am not sure I understand it all. It gets confusing. But I am studying and learning fast.

Shane, I have read that Lock poker is paying their affiliates promptly.
Is this true? If so, how do you justify that when so many long term players have been waiting months for their withdrawals?

Also, the comments regarding lock Pokers rep are telling and , I believe well earned. How does Lock Poker intend to confront
this huge PR nightmare?
ajt

Amazing Shane you guys are idiots.

It would be nice to know exactly HOW much was owed. Or at least, how many months back is this debt trailing? You obviously can't payout players on a timely basis if you can't pay your own running expenses. Somehow, I'm sure they still manage to pay you Shane. Which, if that isn't with new deposit money, it's still with money that should be paid out to waiting players immediately.

It is quite clear that there's a money issue going on and not simply processor problems. You fail at paying ROW players timely in EVERY method of withdrawal. So you can't just blame Skrill having to wait for money to be transferred over due to a lack of deposits through Skrill.

we are talking about 6 to 8 million $, maybe more. that's what LOCK owes the nw and the nw owes the skins involved. thats what lock spent on their pros, "new" marketing ideas, promotions etc... never based on a solid ground, but just for the purpose to gain as many clients as possible in as little time as possible.

+1...I agree

This may be naïve but if Lock Poker has the $, why don't they just issue and send checks to those of us who have been waiting for our withdrawals? I'd like to hear Shane's response to that.
ajt

By the way, Lock Poker is currently off line. When you try to access a window comes up stating There has been an ERROR 116.
AJT

shane,
this is the reason why the network is now having trouble paying out the other skins on the network, because you (lock) has not paid any money to the network since jan this year. this is not "the networks" fault they not paying out its because lock poker had not paid them!!

its not 6/8 million. but i can tell you now its a lot. i can also tell you the network has not been paid since jan off this year. so YES SHANE if lock did pay all what they owe to the netowrk every other skin on the network would be paid in a instint and so wpuld all other players! and you say if you was to leave the network. where could you go? your lucky that you owe the network so much money cos if you didnt they would have kicked you off a long time ago. but there only hope now is for you to pay them slowly. this is the only reason that you have been segreagted to just play your own players on the network. intertops segregated themselves to protect there own company .

Shane, has Lock paid the network since January? How much does Lock owe the network, and how far behind is Lock in the payments?