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You don't understand. What you're talking about lock has already done before this. Weeks ago.

Lock has already segregated everything 1/2 and over from the rest of the network. So if you're playing Lock you see all the network+lock tables up to and including .5/1 but anything over 1/2 you only see lock tables. Same on intertops or other skins, just that at 1/2+ you see all the network tables except the lock tables.

What is happening now is the network provider(Lock??) has decided that all the skins on the network (lock,intertops,cake,etc) will have a special software or sth that categorizes players as winning or losing (obv it's more complicated then that but there's not much info out there). Winning players only see 1 kind of tables (that have other winning players) and losing players get to play with losing players. That is on top of the lock/network segregation of 1/2+

Again, just to be clear, I'm simplifying the whole winning/losing player concept because there's not much info about what the categories and/or criteria will be, but you have to figure that considering the size of the player pool (especially 200NL+ where there's barely any tables most of the time), it would be impossible to have 3 different lobbies for three different types of players

Think about this:

If a losing player deposits and sits on a table with all regs, he will lose his money fast and a few $ of rake will be generated in the few hrs he plays with the regs getting most of the money (and paying rake themselves of course, but getting higher RB than the fish).

If a losing player deposits and plays only losing players, basically no-one has an edge so they keep trading money forever (again, simplified). But rake is taken. So in the long run, all the fish are without their deposits, the site keeps taking rake until they take all their deposits and the losing players are busto not because they lost to a player on the site, but they lost it all to rake.

Net = On the first kind of table, rake made by the site is way less, and rake paid by the regs is less b/c they have higher rb (they play more)
In second scenario, ALL the deposits of the losing player go to rake and less rb is paid on that as well.

Segregating based on skill is network suicide, Lock isn't this incompetent. Hell, a super important skill of a winning player is to discern profitable games from non- profitable games. Lock doing what you are implying is the equivalent of them somehow preventing you from understanding hand ranges, or using a HUD altogether for that matter.... I really hope you're not correct obviously lol...

03-01-2013 , 01:37 PM

#77

Jah Onion

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I mean the intertops rep already posted this and specified it will be network wide. Past that there's not much to say as no further info has been released by the reps or by anyone else

03-01-2013 , 01:48 PM

#78

champstone

banned

Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 1,372

looks like if they evenly matched players winrates would be lower and players would be raked off. atleast on the winning side or maybe both

03-01-2013 , 01:50 PM

#79

Annunaki

enthusiast

Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 69

Well, I see that it is not being listed that players will actually get paid again this month.
1-07 request, support unresponsive except to say that mail forwarded to cashier, and Shane/Rizen not responding either.
Until you pay out in a reasonable timeframe I don't care what your promos are, if you can't get paid then they pretty much suck.

03-01-2013 , 02:04 PM

#80

Whitelextown

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Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 864

The segregation is so when fish deposit and go to the segregated table with other fish then one fish bellys up the other chip takes it and that fish bellys up and then both fish deposit again in this routine over and over again meaning rake to Lock both ways.

It also keeps the funds from going dry withen the Lock account so they don't lose the funds of Lock fish lost to another skin of Rev.

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03-01-2013 , 02:23 PM

#81

Ditch Digger

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Just cut rewards some and give it back to the fish. This bs is a waste of resources and terrible press.

03-01-2013 , 10:17 PM

#82

Citizenwid

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Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 261

Quote:

Originally Posted by Citizenwid

Shane I have 4 questions about the WSOP promo ,and I'm sure a lot of people have these questions and would like to know the answer soon so they can decide if they want to try and go for this promo.

1. How much is the seat worth for the WSOP?

2. Will lock pro's be eligible for the WSOP promo?

3. Will coin flip sit and go's still count for the promo?

4. If we win a package can we decide to take cash value for the package and if so how much is the cash value of the package?

Bump

03-01-2013 , 10:31 PM

#83

booger369

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Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 4,542

citizen's question number one is very important shane.

please confirm its a main event seat and not like a 2500 seat or something.

the website says main seat so if by any chance it isnt and u don't confirm here and change what the website says... not cool seriously

03-01-2013 , 10:32 PM

#84

WiCane

old hand

Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,961

The leader board says 1st and 2nd is 5k. 3rd 2.5k. 4th and 5th are 1.5k

Flipping must be allowed since McCormick is on the leaderboard already.

03-01-2013 , 10:34 PM

#85

HoyaSaxa123

old hand

Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 1,301

lock pro something22 and oldmanmoves were flipping earlier. and yeah, mccormick must be as well

03-01-2013 , 10:38 PM

#86

HoyaSaxa123

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Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 1,301

can someone explain the incentive of flipping? what % rakeback is accumulated at the attainable levels from flipping? what does it come out to hourly mccormick?

03-01-2013 , 10:38 PM

#87

Citizenwid

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Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 261

Quote:

Originally Posted by WiCane

The leader board says 1st and 2nd is 5k. 3rd 2k. 4th and 5th are 1.5k

Flipping must be allowed since McCormick is on the leaderboard already.

Yeah first when I posted this that wasn't up. I think the most important question is if the pros can win. I would like to believe Mccormick but really need to hear from Shane since they are still showing on the leader board. This is very misleading if the aren't aloud and seems like a quick easy fix.

03-01-2013 , 10:40 PM

#88

booger369

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if any of the lock pros get it and they flipped even a small amount its not cool...

obv they are atleast close to 100 perc rakeback if not more. if its more then duh its a no brainer.

regardless if they can win the seats by flipping or not, just the fact that pros are grinding the flips is a huge hit to player confidence in lock. i mean how hard is it to warn pros u gonna axe them if they abuse the system. if u cant control your employees how are we to believe you guys are segregating player funds, running the site profitably and not gonna bankrupt anytime soon, etc. etc.

awww just saw the prize table. not main seat. =(

03-01-2013 , 10:48 PM

#89

Schwatt

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flipping might have a higher EV than playing cash tables next week..........

03-01-2013 , 10:49 PM

#90

Ditch Digger

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Quote:

Originally Posted by HoyaSaxa123

can someone explain the incentive of flipping? what % rakeback is accumulated at the attainable levels from flipping? what does it come out to hourly mccormick?

If you are working off a deposit bonus it's already greater than 100% rakeback. Add in the buyins and flipping becomes pretty profitable.

I really would like Shane address the pros flipping. Feels like they are milking the system.

Still don't understand how any of these pros add anything to lock. Get rid of them.

03-01-2013 , 10:49 PM

#91

HoyaSaxa123

old hand

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i mean what could a person's hourly possibly be by flipping non-stop in order to achieve a level that is actually worthwhile?

03-01-2013 , 10:52 PM

#92

HoyaSaxa123

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Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 1,301

all along i respected mckormick bc i thought he was a poker player putting in a lot of effort

03-01-2013 , 10:52 PM

#93

booger369

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if u are always on a deposit bonus the hourly is really really good. just take the rake and multiple by your rakeback.

i dont understand how mccormick is gonna be profitable flipping to the seat tho. is there an unlimited reload bonus im unaware of?

eh if mccormick doesnt have deposit bonuses (i assume so) and is still gonna try to flip his way a 2nd time to a seat i'd be cheering for him haha. gamboooool. although he probably doesn't realize 1st place is not 10k no more.

03-01-2013 , 10:55 PM

#94

Ditch Digger

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I imagine they are getting $50+ an hour. Only problem is the more people that flip the less profitable it is.

03-01-2013 , 11:21 PM

#95

WiCane

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Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,961

OldManMoves is a lock pro? I don't think he is.

03-01-2013 , 11:22 PM

#96

WiCane

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Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,961

Quote:

Originally Posted by HoyaSaxa123

all along i respected mckormick bc i thought he was a poker player putting in a lot of effort

Agree, flipping is ridiculous but I guess if they allow it nothing you can do. Rake is rake for them. Despite the obvious colluding the could happen to get 1st and 2nd in this promo.

03-01-2013 , 11:24 PM

#97

Ditch Digger

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Quote:

Originally Posted by WiCane

OldManMoves is a lock pro? I don't think he is.

I think justfold22 is.

03-01-2013 , 11:35 PM

#98

WiCane

old hand

Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,961

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ditch Digger

I think justfold22 is.

I don't think he is either unless it was recent. He's also not listed on their web page.

03-01-2013 , 11:40 PM

#99

Ditch Digger

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hmm, might be wrong then. Though I recalled somewhere that said he was recent addition to the lock pro stable.

03-01-2013 , 11:47 PM

#100

HoyaSaxa123

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Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 1,301

Quote:

Originally Posted by WiCane

I don't think he is either unless it was recent. He's also not listed on their web page.

ya they were flipping in the husng exclusive lobbies 200s and 300s. i sat in the middle of a few, and he confirmed he was a pro

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