I've personally emailed Shane numerous times asking for help in my situation and each time it's the same response. I've also seen him do the same thing to many other people here in 2p2. How does 2p2 give him a voice in here? He's not following through in majority of his statements!

I know that making money is a necessity for all business but at what point does 2p2 realize that short money isn't cost effective when reputation is at stake for the long hall? The fact that he is able to come in here and pretend to be helping people when in actuality he is blowing smoke is embarrassing. It's like an open door to crap on the 2p2 community.

All I'm saying is that if 2p2 is going to remain a Lock poker affiliate then at least hold them accountable to your people. Don't just take the money and run. Shane's batting average in follow through Is beyond pathetic! All I'm asking for is a little more monitoring of his actions in here and holding him accountable to his statements. Rant finished!!

I don't think Shane is blowing smoke up everyone's ass. I also don't think he is being totally honest. I think he is fed conflicting information mixed with pure lies on a constant basis. I do think he wants to help people in here but, with so many overwhelming problems, his job is pretty damn difficult.

I mean, if I was Shane, I would have been sending out my resume a long time ago to get way from this job.

As far as 2p2 and shane/lock forum (which would probably be better for their business if they did shut this forum down) I guess they are still paying their dues to Mr. Sklansky

i agree. As much of an embarassment Lock has become it is making 2+2 look bad to still be promoting them even though anyone that has played there for any significant amount of time realizes they have major problems.

If you don't think Shane is blowing smoke up people's ass's then how do you explain the fake persona he displays when he says please send me your info and then never gets back to them. That's like smoke and Mirrors in my opinion. It's a miss guided perception that leads people to believe that he's actually doing something for them which installs a false sense of hope.

It's very misleading to 2p2 members and you would think that 2p2 wouldn't allow it to go on. Maybe if enough people voice their disgust with the topic 2p2 would begin to put more pressure on Shane to follow through with his comments.

^^ look at the lock thread. hard for us 2+2ers to voice much more displeasure. sad really

^ I agree! But not much has been voiced towards 2p2's intervention in the topic of Shane's lack of integrity in the forum.

I despise Lock and shane to the core, but your almost as bad as Shane by using vague statements such as "put pressure".

Use specifics. Advocate for 2p2 to end its business arrangement. Advocate for every mod to change their undertitle to "Lock is a scam." These are just random thoughts that popped into my head in 2 seconds without any thought, but say exactly what you want or admit you do not know what to do so we can have a constructive conversation about how to "pressure" lock.

If you can take the time to make a thread the least you can do is think it through

I thought you might be suggesting ideas to beat lock and slow their business, but instead you started another complain about lock thread. I am tired of these. Either lead the fight with exact suggestions or STFU about wanting things to change.

Better yet, just lock this thread up because OP is not going to state anything constructive.

I stated exactly what I want in the last segment of my op. If you don't agree that's fine but read the thread before you just come in here pop'n off like a baboon on crack!!

You consider "holding him accountable" stating exactly what you want.

How do you exactly "hold someone accountable"?

I am not going to make this personal or call you "a baboon on crack", but I am suggesting that you say something productive because what you have said are just vague talking points.

If you dont agree these are simply talking points look at any presidential campaign from the last 30 years.

They all say we are going to "make the lobbyist and polititions accountable for their actions",
"We are going to monitor the contributions of lobbyist donors"

These are just words and mean nothing. You are repeating these same words targetted at lock.

I want specifics of what you want for lock. If you do not have specifics take the time to think of some.

Well, I dunno he might be blowing smoke up everyone's ass. I mean, I got out in Dec. cuz I didn't trust anything. But that doesn't mean Shane is the one lying. Maybe he sends off your info to the correct "department" LOL and never hears back. He is the liaison, and its quite possible he is being fed BS.

I mean, seriously, if I was Shane, I would be up in Jen Larson's face yelling and saying how could you possible want me to stay in the network when I am being fed to the sharks everyday and I don't have answers for them at all.

"Hey put the Pen down...no need to sign another pro, we have much greater issues at hand."

Shane is paid a salery to be a rep for Lock.

Shane's job is to keep customer satisfaction as high as possible. His job is not to tell the truth. It is not to lie. It is not to be a nice guy. It is not respond urgently to messages.

His job is to keep customer satisfaction as high as possible. It would be nice to think that being open, honest, and a nice guy will keep satisfaction at its highest but that is not reality, and that is certainly not the case when you have things to cover up.

In other words, we want the truth about cash on hand and withdrawals. We will only EVER GET THE TRUTH if lock feels that best keeps the money rolling in. Its not Shane's fault, its not our fault. Those are the facts of business.

Stop looking at shane as a bad person, he is simply someone collecting a check and willing to do anything (sometimes unethical things and blatant lies) in order to keep it coming.

I've literally had enough and withdrawn off comeon poker (revolution), 2 days (yes yes I know its cos im eu n its legal here and they use their own funds), I'm playing elsewhere now with no fair play discrimination killing the game, no ****ty dated software that looks like its from 2000 and no worry whatsoever of losing any of my money or worrying about you US players if it did go tits up and u getting robbed again.

Infact its that bad the experience, we are all here bickering about other establishments having ago at bashing lock.

I agree that that the fair play will kill the games eventually. I mean, if they aren't already dead.

I mean, if you think about it, even the people who don't know anything about 2p2 or anything about Lock, will eventually realize they can't win and are burning money.

Lock don't learn or improve, other firms have made mistakes and remedied them and its true what you say about recreational players, human beings are not ******ed, especially in a matured market. Micro-gaming introduced the bad beat jackpot again for that reason, not only that but they improved the workings so more players win at whatever stake it is won (hence less money taken out like if only 2 guys won a huge prize) improving liquidity. Not only this but apparently (not tested yet) but apparently its neutral ev now by the way rake contributing the jackpot is done, so clearly most players were aware of the .50 rake increase affecting their bottom line.

You already made it personal in your op when you told me to (STFU)! Don't throw stones of you live in a glass house! I'm not running a campaign for presidency here and I'm not really concerned with what you'd like to here from me. I've stated my opinion in the matter and that's all! If your such an advocate as you've stated in your op about what you were hoping to see in this thread then stop being a coward and start a thread that addresses the concerns you have instead of attacking me in here. Anyone can judge but not everyone can create!

Plus I'm not addressing Lock here or Shane I'm addressing my opinion on the fact that 2p2 should be paying closer attention to the misleading tactics of Shane in this forum whether Shane is inadvertently doing it or not. If the mods posted in these threads asking Shane to follow up with these promises to look into things we would definitely here back from him regardless if its good news or bad.

All I know is either Ms Larson went against advisers or her advisers were stupid. Their model was broken from the start

The Facts are that Shane says he will take a look at it, and contact the cashier department, this is not a lie

The problem is, is that shane has no power less than we do, he must he must have as much power as a newborn mouse.... asking for help 99% wont get you anywhere in a day or 2, 98% never...

We need to be able to talk to the amazing girl in charge or a ceo cfo chairman or something not shane not my dog my dog can do more for me than locks reps.

@ Fordham and 4barrelledjoe

Just my two cents here but if you browse the Lock forum here every few days, you see A LOT of new threads with very vague and effort-lacking attempts at trying to punish/expose Lock for their extremely poor business practices.

I tried to do as Fordham did in an older thread and I told the OP I thought he should be more specific in what he wants and he effectively told me to die in a grease fire or something along those lines. I laughed because I wasn't defending Lock, I was simply stating that you're better off being explicit and methodical about how you want to "put pressure" on Lock and not just create a new thread reiterating the same message that many others have put forth in so many words.

What I see happening in this forum is on a Spam level and I don't know about you guys, but these threads just fall down the list and aren't memorable for me in the slightest. No one wants to read the same ol' story with little oomph behind it (there are main threads for most of this) or about someone's specific failed withdraw attempt that's no different than the next guy's in one of the main threads.

With that said, typing STFU probably not the best thing to say in an otherwise solid post that wasn't personal until that point (imo). Obviously when you're (we're) pissed off at Lock for being ridiculously bad about payouts (and other things) emotions are going make us pretty damn defensive.

Although I agree that Lock is doing a terrible job in many, many areas, I don't know if I necessarily agree with kicking them completely off of this forum. Heck, we can't even get email responses from support, and at least here we have a place to gather together and vent...and Lock does give us Shane to speak with here, even if he is a mostly useless lackey mouthpiece.

If we totally kick them off of here we will have even less direct contact with Lock than we do now, and we won't have nearly as organized a place to show our frustration. Hey, At least 2p2 is getting paid right? Better than no one at all.

Agreed, severing ties with affiliates would probably be a better way to start. The forum can serve as a conduit (if a mod would ever keep it clean and close half of the lame threads). Keep in mind though that it's like that saying "be careful what you wish for."

If we have $ tied up on the site, and this is indeed a Ponzi Scheme, then if they lack incoming funds we are directly effected with withdraws since they would require new money to pay old money.

Unfortunately I think this is one of those situations where people just need to weigh their risk tolerance and let the market dictate how Lock does. The worse they are, the less that people will continue depositing/playing.

^^ I don't want 2p2 to boot Lock either. I also have $ invested and at risk. If it turns out to be a ponzi scheme then a lot of people are going to be royally pissed off including myself. Lots of people turn to sites like 2p2 (myself included) for the sake of coming together for knowledge and information. These affiliates that pay for ad space in here like Lock shouldn't be allowed to walk all over 2p2's members (who actually are the only reason Lock or 2p2 are profiting from each other in the first place).

This Lock forum is a good source to find out whats going on. Even if most of the information is speculation it adds up. Presents a vague picture of what's really going on. Without it we wouldn't even have that. It just puts a bad taste in my mouth when Shane says he's going to do something for someone and then doesn't follow through with it. It's like he's coming in our house and dumping in our living room and there's nothing being done about it.

Maybe there is nothing 2p2 can or is willing to do about it. Obviously i'm not the only one who see's the bs that Shane throws around in here. Job or no job a person's integrity is based by his/her actions.

100% agree here.

The sad thing is I really do believe most of the time that Shane really is wanting to help people. He pulls a lot less strings behind the scenes than people think/hope he does and there is only so many things to do. I think it's a mix of him feeling the pressure to paint a better picture than it currently is (which means he knows its worse than he leads on) and also him wanting to help people in specific situations but doesn't have Lock's/Network's support in fixing the issue.

Either way it's like being slowrolled when being snap called and knowing you're drawing dead is easier to take.

He did in two threads in the past hour at least update one and (which was news to me) extended the WU window to 4-5 weeks via support so maybe there is hope.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/55...2-2-a-1299361/

They aren't - Lock pays to advertise on 2+2.

That makes 2p2 affiliated with them. They pay you for a service an therefore your affiliated. I've come to the realization that 2p2 isn't able or doesn't care to assist me in getting a response from Shane. So I've washed my hands with Lock and with Shane. Even though I don't agree with the way 2p2 is dealing with this situation I still believe its a great forum.

In one of Shane's post he said he liked the direction where Lock is headed as well as Lock/Revolution does not have liquidity issues. Take it for what u will.