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Originally Posted by formula72
Bob
When people like you and SGT speak, a lot of people listen. They know you guys have been around a while spending time on 2+2 helping out and have a deep understanding with a lot of things related to topics on this site. But I hate seeing responses like this and so much energy and emphasis is put on yelling and asking lock to give players their money back like there is hope that lock will turn around into an honest site and everybody will get paid. Maybe you just do it for the fun of it. I know SGT doesn't believe players or gonna get paid.
There should be more energy put into getting lock off the internet as soon as possible, There are players still depositing and playing on this site! That's a problem. Lock can string excuses for cashouts for another year if need be, they've done it for 7 months and for 7 months its "hey pay us". I just believe that as moderators, more time should be spend destroying this company than having 50 threads of questions that wont be answered.
I generally agree with your sentiment (that the players should be doing more than saying "give me my money") but I wanted to clarify my stance on the situation.
I believe that any business, online or otherwise, should demonstrate an acceptable amount of competence and customer service, otherwise I don't believe they deserve your money/business. And I believe the more problems a company has, the more the customers should demand from them if that company wants to stay in business.
In this particular instance, you have a company that a) has demonstrated cash flow issues, b) has lied repeatedly to its customers, c) has poor communication with its customers and poor customer service and d) refuses to demonstrate to customers that player funds are safe.
It's a combination of these factors that lead me to feel, strongly, that the poker community should pass judgement on Lock and refuse to play there any more until they fix these issues. And their reluctance to do so makes it that much more likely that they CAN'T fix issues like cash out times or proving solvency, or at least can't prove that player funds are fully accounted for.
I say again, their promise to provide an audit, then their reason for reneging on that promise, makes zero sense. Accounting firms take customer security very seriously. The likelihood of a reputable accounting firm leaking information about Lock accounts to anyone, let alone the players or the DOJ (especially if a non-US firm) is minimal, while the potential gains (reassuring players and having trust restored) is fairly large.
When a site refuses to do something that has a huge upside and relatively little downside, the logical reason they won't do it is because it would reveal something they don't want revealed - in this case, that they DO NOT HAVE enough money to cover all player deposits.
Frankly I believe we should just all assume this is true until they prove otherwise. The evidence is there. Do I 100% know for sure that they don't have all player funds? No, of course not. But I do have the ability to take the evidence I see and think about it logically. And that logic is telling me that Lock is stealing players funds, and that we as a community should
STOP GIVING THEM OUR MONEY/BUSINESS.