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Lock Poker cashout thread (10 WEEK MINIMUM WAIT) - not a transfer thread (see OP) Lock Poker cashout thread (10 WEEK MINIMUM WAIT) - not a transfer thread (see OP)

03-05-2012 , 01:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by zackryan28
2 questions for the community here:

-Have any of you guys that had your check processed on 2/6, like me, received yours yet? If not, I'm going to contact Rizen/Shane about this. We were supposed to get them this week.

-Are the bank wire and/or bank transfer cashouts available for anybody right now, because I don't have either, and I'm a VIP player?
My Approved check on 2/6 finally arrived today (3/5) at 11:00am.
I deposited today so hopefully all is good and it doesnt bounce. I will post back here if it does. stay tuned.
03-05-2012 , 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Wizard-50
1 week and 164 posts later, no responses at all from Rizen or Shane. Just pointing out them ignoring everyone unless absolutely necessary.

Rizen & Shane, if you don't know anything about a subject then say as much, but at least keep us up to date. It's not hard to post something like "Hey guys, sorry this bank wire stuff is taking longer than expected. I'm not sure what the delay is, but hopefully it will get better with time." or whatever. Being ignored by 'customer support' is so tilting.

I'm so annoyed that now my plan is to simply eat the 10% fees and WU my whole roll off over time.
I agree. VERY tilting. FWIW, today is 6 business days on my bank transfer withdrawal, and nothing arrived.
03-05-2012 , 02:35 PM
My check from 2/6 arrived just now also. Hopefully everybody gets theirs today!
03-05-2012 , 02:56 PM
same boat, just received my check that was processed on 2/6. will also report back if it bounces, fingers crossed.
03-05-2012 , 02:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by zackryan28
My check from 2/6 arrived just now also.

03-05-2012 , 03:26 PM
Approved since 2/6 and still no check. Am I the only one?
03-05-2012 , 04:00 PM
still no bank transfer funds.. processed on 2/27 FML
03-05-2012 , 04:35 PM
Cross posting from the "New Lock Cashier" thread. I have emailed Rizen, Jen (ceo of Lock) and my affiliate referral. Hopefully we get a response...

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=119

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Alright Rizen -

I would really like to hear about what is actually going on with JDB Services. It seems pretty clear to myself and most others here that your new payment processor is clearly either unable to handle the volume of cashout requests moving through Lock Poker, they are incompetent, or Lock's estimated time frames are just complete and utter BS.

I think I'm more concerned than most as I fear that JDB operating from within the US (my last check from them originated in the US) not only puts the processor at greater risk of being caught, but also runs the risk of eventually bringing down the entire Merge Network.

Why am I so concerned? Well it's pretty simple. You guys added the wire transfer withdrawal option to your casino on February 6th. I subsequently requested a withdrawal for $5,XXX. I emailed support several times about the time frame, was originally told 1-2 weeks.

On the 21st day after requesting my withdrawal (Feb 27th), I received an email from support telling me that my wire transfer request was cancelled as you have implemented the new 'direct bank transfer' option. I obviously didn't request my wire transfer to be cancelled as according to Lock supports' time frame it should have already been received.

I shrug it off and decide to bear with you guys. Unfortunately the money wasn't showing in my casino account like the email said it would be from my cancelled request but I was able to get that handled fairly quickly through my affiliate and Jenn.

Once the money arrived in my casino account, I submitted a request for a direct bank transfer. You can see the screenshot below.



The time frame after approval according to support, as well as the email I received from my affiliate rep:



Something that concerns me even more, and actually gave me a bit of a chuckle, was an email I received from my affiliate rep with Jenn's response to whether or not player funds are segregated. The "that's why..." portion made me LOL pretty hardcore inside considering that since Lock swapped to using their own payment processor and cashier for ALL withdrawal requests, that to the best of my knowledge, not a single person has received a 'wire transfer' or 'direct bank transfer'. Not only have we not received these transfers, but seriously, you're going to assure us that we'll have it in 24-48 hours, then support says 72 hours, and 150+ hours later we have no money in our accounts?



According to my Cashier, it has been 163 hours since my request has been "processed". Not a dime has touched or even shown up as pending into my checking account. It has also been ~38 "business hours" if you assume a 9-5 operating schedule.

I am obviously concerned for the well-being of all players money on Lock Poker. I understand you guys are operating out of an attempt to better service your clients, but why not just leave it up to the third party processors that are already operating, and allowing people to function through their own network of friends/acquaintances rather than risking getting the entire network pinched when you processor does eventually get busted.

Not trying to throw you guys under the bus here at all, but I am extremely anxious to find out what is the actual cause of the delay, and rather than having support inform everyone that asks that it takes 24-72 hours, why don't you actually have them say, that we are unsure, at this point it has been more than a week, but we expect the requests to arrive "soon". I mean seriously, don't promise what you so obviously can't deliver.

Would really like to hear an explanation on why you insist on telling your customers 1-2 weeks, and then cancel their request after three weeks, and go on to explain that the new method should take 24-48 hours, and then after 160+ hours, no one seems to have any explanation.
03-05-2012 , 04:42 PM
Requested cashout 1/15
Processed 1/16
Emailed 2/27:

Hi there,

Our Check Processor had informed us that your check has been returned as undeliverable. Your Casino account has been credited with the request. I highly recommend submitting a Bank Transfer. Your payout will be sent directly into your Bank Account and will be completed within 48 hours. Let us know once you have submitted a request and I will inform our Cashier Manager so it can be completed right away.
All my best,

Request Wire transfer 2/27
Processed 2/28
Have received one email saying:
We will do all we can to expedite this for you.
Sincere regards,

Now 3/5
03-05-2012 , 04:47 PM
Eric's (Rizen's) response ~10 minutes after I sent the email with the link to my thread. Thank you for once again being timely and honest in your response Eric.

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Blake - I assure you no one is intentionally 'lying' or giving you any sort of runaround. This is a trusted processor and I'm very confident that users are going to be receiving their funds, the time frames we've been relaying are the time frames that the processor has been giving us, and as this is a new withdrawal method there is very little historical evidence to go off. As we move forward obviously there will be more and more historical information to use, and we can adjust time frames and expectations accordingly.

The latest time frames that we've been given is that it takes 2-5 days to process the request then another 72 hrs for it to hit user accounts according to what I've been seeing from support. I know that there have been users that it's been taking longer than that for already so obviously this isn't completely accurate.

I apologize if you feel like you're being given the run around. Nothing can be further from the truth. We are communicating the information as accurately as we can. This is a brand new process and I'm very confident that after these initial bumps are worked out we will be able to offer accurate and consistent time frames that will be the fastest and most reliable on the network.

--
Best,

Eric

Eric Lynch
Poker Room Manager
03-05-2012 , 04:57 PM
has anyone been able to confirm that they have succesfully received bank wire yet?
03-05-2012 , 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Themaestrony
Are they charging for wu cash outs? Are they covering any wu fees?
First withdrawal of every month gets any associated fees reimbursed, but subsequent ones are not covered.

Thanks

-Rizen
03-05-2012 , 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Wizard-50
1 week and 164 posts later, no responses at all from Rizen or Shane. Just pointing out them ignoring everyone unless absolutely necessary.

Rizen & Shane, if you don't know anything about a subject then say as much, but at least keep us up to date. It's not hard to post something like "Hey guys, sorry this bank wire stuff is taking longer than expected. I'm not sure what the delay is, but hopefully it will get better with time." or whatever. Being ignored by 'customer support' is so tilting.

I'm so annoyed that now my plan is to simply eat the 10% fees and WU my whole roll off over time.
If you still have an outstanding issue can you PM me? I really try and read every post in here, but since many of the posts are just cashout status posts I do skim this thread some. I apologize if I missed or didn't respond to something you specifically said, I promise it wasn't intentional. PM or e-mail me and I'll make sure I get a reply to you ASAP.

Thanks

-Rizen
03-05-2012 , 05:13 PM
Received 2/6 check today
03-05-2012 , 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by beeschnuts
has anyone been able to confirm that they have succesfully received bank wire yet?
No sir... mine processed on the 27th
03-05-2012 , 05:28 PM
check requested 1/31/2012
check approved 1/31/2012
check recieved 2/10/2012
check deposited 2/10/2012
check returned 2/13/2012 w/ additional fee of $12
noticed and have become sad 2/14/2012 e-mailed support said they would send me another 1
check in hand 3/2
check deposited 3/3
hasn't cleared yet as of 3/5 so hopefully it does in the next few days

leaving for vegas 3/14
03-05-2012 , 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by LockRizen
If you still have an outstanding issue can you PM me? I really try and read every post in here, but since many of the posts are just cashout status posts I do skim this thread some. I apologize if I missed or didn't respond to something you specifically said, I promise it wasn't intentional. PM or e-mail me and I'll make sure I get a reply to you ASAP.

Thanks

-Rizen
I gave you and support the benefit of the doubt for a while, but now I'm just going to call it how I see it. The time frame you gave has been exceded by a noticeable margin. Lots of people are posting that they are long overdue the estimated time frame. What more prompting do you need?

Something similar to what you said to Blake, but made for the community at large, would be great. It would also significantly decrease your workload by preemptively addressing problems as they arise, not separately as people get to their boiling point.

Lastly, my outstanding issue is that my processed cashout is overdue of the estimated time frame, and I have not seen a reason, reassurance, or apology. Nothing special just generally annoyed about the wait, and specifically annoyed at the way it's being handled.

Last edited by Wizard-50; 03-05-2012 at 06:04 PM.
03-05-2012 , 07:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wizard-50
I gave you and support the benefit of the doubt for a while, but now I'm just going to call it how I see it. The time frame you gave has been exceded by a noticeable margin. Lots of people are posting that they are long overdue the estimated time frame. What more prompting do you need?

Something similar to what you said to Blake, but made for the community at large, would be great. It would also significantly decrease your workload by preemptively addressing problems as they arise, not separately as people get to their boiling point.

Lastly, my outstanding issue is that my processed cashout is overdue of the estimated time frame, and I have not seen a reason, reassurance, or apology. Nothing special just generally annoyed about the wait, and specifically annoyed at the way it's being handled.
We are dealing with foreign illegal gambling companies, who are getting rich off us.. They care no more then Howard Lederer or Ferguson.. As long as checks do occasionally get through to people (bounced or not) they know they will have business.. These type of people dont even mean it if they do say sorry, so why even care to hear it..
03-05-2012 , 07:09 PM
yep rec and depod a check form early feb today too, will let you guys know if it clears.
03-05-2012 , 07:15 PM
Trying this new bankwire service out. Not really that confident i'll be getting it any time soon but oh well.

Bank Wire Requested 3/5
03-05-2012 , 10:59 PM
Direct Bank Transfer Requested 2012-02-28
Direct Bank Transfer Processed 2012-03-01

Nothing in checking yet. I tried to squeak this transfer in Under the February time frame so I would get another free one in March. But they counted it as my free March transfer since it wasn't processed until March 1st.... Can't they go by request date since that's all we can control?
03-05-2012 , 11:11 PM
My bank transfer was processed on 2/26 and has still not hit my account. The last thing I heard from support was that it would take up to 72 hours. It has now been 190 hours and support has stopped answering my emails.
03-06-2012 , 12:16 AM
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Originally Posted by bs_jayhawk
Trying this new bankwire service out. Not really that confident i'll be getting it any time soon but oh well.

Bank Wire Requested 3/5
Thanks for signing the guestbook.
03-06-2012 , 02:11 AM
I feel bad for being too harsh. I got my check today was approved 2/6. Went to wall mart and cashed it. Very happy.
03-06-2012 , 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Analog
Also waiting on a bank transfer withdrawal.

Requested 2012-02-23 23:05:48
Processed 2012-02-25 13:03:02

About $1K. Will keep this thread updated.
Still nothing. Annoyed.

Icing on the ****cake. I've since had to deposit. I tried a handful of transactions using my Mastercard (which I've deposited with successfully in the past). None of them worked. Then, they showed up as "processing/pending transactions". ALL OF THEM. They'll fall off after a week or whatever (and will never be added to my poker account), but as for now, I'm out the $1000 I cashed out and haven't received, and $1000 or whatever in pending charges on my checking account. Incredibly annoyed.

      
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