We've let you settle in with Lock Lotto for the first month with lot of very happy daily winners, now we are kicking it up a notch with an amazing monthly draw.

At the end of April one very lucky player will walk away with either a Ducatti superbike or a WSOP main event seat.

For every day in April that players qualify for Lock Lotto they will gain an entry into the random draw at the end of the month.

All the details can be found here: http://lockpoker.eu/promos/lotto/

So get playing and good luck with the draw.

So does the level reset everyday? So I need to grind 3000 VIP everyday for lvl 3 drawings?

Nice. Just what I needed, some more motivation to grind.

? What are you asking? Yes, everyday you reach 3K points, you have a chance at the level 3 drawing. If you only reach level 2 or 1 in a particular day, you are entered for that drawing. If you don't reach any of them, you aren't in any of the drawings.

Yeah I'm silly lol, thx

I assume the winner gets to choose whether he gets the bike or the WSOP entry, right?

Looks like the cost of the bike is about $12,500 so roughly equal value there assuming the ME seat comes with airfare, etc.

Once upon a time, Stars was giving cash to their players when they won a main-event seat, and then would get free hotel or something if they arrived and agreed to play the actual event. Otherwise, they could just keep the cash if they preferred. If this going to be the method with Lock? Is there going to be a way to keep the cash if the player prefers?

If I recall correctly stars only allowed this for Wsop seats - anything else they forced you to play. The reasoning behind this was because the World Series of poker would not allow the poker sites to actually buyin for the player thus forcing stars to give you cash. I imagine that Rule is still in place so Lock would have no choice but to give you cash

Pretty cool promo. Lock (no pun intended) me in for two entrys so far.

Wait are rakeback players eligble?

Do Not Blink - Lock does have a choice. They can make you sign something promising to play before they give you the money. They can show up there with you in LV and not give you the money until you arrive and then register. There are lots of ways to do it. The fact that Stars did it one way means only that it is one of the ways of doing it.

Stars had 1,000+ players qualify for the M.E. Once the WSOP disallowed 3rd party entries in 2006 Stars had to change it up and that's what they decided on. I qualified for the Main Event in 2005 via Stars when they still accepted 3rd party entries. So I had no option to just accept the cash.

But Lock isn't going to have 1,000 qualifiers. And even if they did they could still make you agree ahead of time to play it if they forward the cash to you. Not that it would necessarily be enforceable but they might demand proof that you registered and they do still have control over your account, etc etc.

Our preference is for the player to take the WSOP seat and play or take the bike.

Players wanting WSOP seats is only half the reason we offer prizes like this, the exposure of someone going to WSOP with a free seat starts at a very close level of their friends and if they run well can mean some great exposure on the tournament floor.

Same goes for the Ducatti, I imagine that if a player won that their Facebook feed and forums everywhere would be covered with pictures of them on the Ducatti. Cash just doesn't have the same effect.

Interestingly there has been an obvious trend in the daily Lotto winners to take physical prizes over the cash or points equivalents. So far it seems players do prefer to get their hands on something physical when given the chance.

Shane,

it is fine that it is Lock's "preference" but that does not answer the question as to whether it is a requirement of winning. I am thinking that might mean that one could get away with accepting the cash? Hard to tell.

Is there a way to prove that these are truly random drawings that are being done?

Lol, such a hater ITT. Is there a way to prove the casino BJ isn't rigged and that the Merge RNG is truly random?...Bob might be the best mod troll eva

FWIW I think Lock should have a list of past winners, not a scrolling bar. Like this:

April 1st
1st Tier- Screen Name (Prize)
2nd Tier- Screen Name (Prize)
3rd Tier- Screen Name (Prize)

https://twitter.com/#!/lockpoker

This is not some card-game with an assumed randomizer. This is their own private drawing. For all we know, they could pick a name at random or throw a dart at the wall.

Are you not familiar with the Girah scandal on their own site? Their own promo was essentially rigged at the end... and then they got caught.

As I've said before, I don't THINK they would do something like that on the lotto. But they have total power to be able to do so. They can draw a name, decide they don't like who the winner is (ummm, me?) and then draw again?

Right now, they can draw false names even.

This is not even remotely close to claims of BJ or poker being rigged. It's simply not the same thing at all. Especially for a site that has already shown sketchy behavior in their own promos before (Girah and casino bonus).


It's a fair question and is not hard to answer. It's not a rhetorical question so some sort of response from Lock would be appreciated and I think others would like to hear their answer as well.

Thanks. Now they just need to put that up on their website.

Would also love to know on average how many people get to tier 1, 2, and 3 per day?

You seem to imply that we actually care who wins this, like we might exclude yourself or someone else we didn't take a liking to. This is completely ridiculous and ignores the fact that we dont have time to sit around working out if MicroBob from 2+2 won a prize today.

Conspiracy theories like this are always ridiculous because the opportunity cost of rigging a promotion such as this far outweighs any perceived benefits. We have far too many other projects we are working on to continue to improve the product we offer our players to waste time screening the winners of Lock Lotto.

Lock Lotto is 100% random, and the simple reasoning is thats the easiest way for us to do it. We automate the random draw, we automate the tweeting of the winners and we automate the display of the prizes the winners choose on the promotion page. As they say on that infomercial "Set and forget"

Shane,

To begin, I would like to point out that I am likely lock's biggest supporter on this forum, so this is not some disgruntled customer pissed because I havent won the lotto yet (despite me hitting third tier all the time!!!..lol jk). I've defended lock many times (Eric can attest) in this forum within reason and done so in my PG&C thread as well. I truly believe the casino bonus situation (fiasco?) was a failed attempt to get your players more value than other skins can offer. I appreciated that aspect of it rather than whined about not getting straight cash to my account. I gave you time to fix it, and I think you guys have done a pretty great job in many aspects and the lock lotto is a great replacement imo.

As much as it pains me to even appear to agree with the biggest troll on 2+2 that ironically is a mod, there is definitely a point to be made here. And the fact that you said it is completely ridiculous, is well, completely ridiculous. One of my best friend's sister has been the VIP manager at 3 smaller european sites over the past 5 years. There is a decent chance you know her. She has said on more than one occasion that these types of promos are ALWAYS rigged, in that they just give the prizes to who they want. I discussed this promo with her and she laughed and said it is probably that way as well.

Now I am not saying that is the case here. I really trust Eric so by association I trust a lot of the things Lock does. But to say something is ridiculous when it clearly takes place in this industry is not doing you any favors, and if anything makes me more suspicious. Couple that with a pretty sketchy past (no one can deny that) and I would think you guys owe it to your players to add some transparency to this promo.

Just my .02.

I'm an optimist and generally like to see the best in everything and everyone. I'm not concerned that this promo is rigged, but on some level I can see why others are.

ok its not rigged, shane said so... girah said it wasn't either...

/story

My response here would be whats the gain? I mean how would we be picking these people? There are 3 tiers every single day, what sort of work would go into choosing 3 players each day to specifically reward. And then we would need to run some sort of massive table tracking who gave the prizes to so we didnt give them another prize, unless we did want to double up to erase suspicion.

Do you see how much harder that is?

Which brings me back to my first point, whats the gain? Rewarding 90 random players a month versus rewarding 90 hand picked winners. What great difference would that make for us?

The effort far outweighs the reward.


I know Im opening a can of worms with this question, but while you guys are talking about this I'd be lax if I didnt ask it. How do you propose we do prove its random?

maybe u dont give out the prize? so u gain, Im guessing here, $12,500 becuz u arent giving ANTHING away???????? also u can have the "winner" pose with a bike on facebook so you actually gain the notoriety for giving it away when really u gave nothing away. its called a scam, your company has pulled them before in similar fashion as recent as a few months ago. are you an idiot?

Again I would like to reiterate, I do not think you guys are rigging this promo. But I do have a problem with you writing off the question like it is some sort of outlandish allegation (although I understand a little given who you were responding to) that it could even happen, when it obviously does happen on some level within the industry. And in some instances it is rampant.

Couple that with Lock Poker's pretty shady recent history, and you owe it to the players to at least take the question seriously.

I don't think it would be very difficult to hand select a name rather than use what ever randomizer you claim to be using. I also can think of multiple reasons why Lock would benefit from this. We both know Locks employees friends and family play on Lock Poker. We know you have very high rakers that you would very much like to keep paying your site rake as opposed to a competitors skin. Heck your buddy who plays on Lock might have been saying how much he wants an Ipad and the next day he wins the lock lotto. It could happen, there is potential incentive, and it is very easy to do. I know more than one Lock pro has already won as well, that is another incentive (I think one may have even won twice?...not positive though).

And all of this is just for the small prizes. How about the WSOP/Ducati prize drawing. TONS of incentive to give that to a favorable raker, family member, great player who will give you 50% of their WSOP ME action.

Like I said, I dont think you guys are rigging this. I'm not a conspiracy theorist on any level. But to laugh it off is just insulting. Especially consider your companies image.

Again I am very happy with Lock overall. I am very grateful to have a place to play and for the VIP program that gives me more value than the others. Lock has taken care of me and has proven time and time again they want to give me more value than the other skins. And that is why you have my business.

I dont necessarily have a proposition for you wrt how to prove it is random, I just think the issue should be taken more seriously.

I will end this by saying I highly doubt you guys are rigging in favor of just high rakers (or anyone). As a very high raker on your site (won the rake race last month) I havent won yet. I would like to think if you were greasing your high rakers I would be somewhere near the top of that list.

Inb4 lotto bink tomorrow

shane, please elaborate on the wsop/bike giveaway, iv looked all over the site and need more info. I assume every day u qualify for level 3 that counts as a ticket. At the end of the month all the qualifying days of all the level 3 players go into a draw? Toying with going for max level 3 tickets because i cant imagine many on lock do that; or are all qualifying days for all levels elegible?

Nikin it appears as if a level one qualifier gets a ticket just the same as level 3 does. That is an issue imo. Not an incredibly serious one because I'm complaining about my opportunity to win a huge prize, but it hardly seems fair to the higher rakers.