qft and and epicness. i'm coming with you, wherever you wanna go...

Despite everyones assumptions that Lock is only in this for a quick buck we are actually trying to keep building for the future and this was a part of this.

If you read any articles about the operator/network level of online poker in the last 3-5 years you will see constant talk about a stable poker ecology. One room went so far as to make all their tables annonymous because they felt grinders hurt their ecology.

We on the other hand believe in balance, we see the need for a good balance between both grinders and casual players. Now if our room has good balance and another room doesn't then that affects our overall ecology.

This new change was put in place with this in mind.

This seems completely unfair to players by manipulating is very immoral and unethical to do this by changing the "ecology" of the game.

Seems like Lock Poker is trying to keep their money within the network and from players dumping to other skins which payout faster or payout period.

Cons in the game here folks please post in my thread, this is another shady move by Lock. One after another it's sick.

Please post in my boycott starter thread we need more people like you. People who are aware and don't like to be taken advantage of.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/19.../#post37083491

Here is the link I wish I could just copy this post in there

so this change was only recent?

Actually it improves the ecology for our players so its great for our players.

By the way, chip dumping is unethical regardless of this.


Yes only a few days, so far the effect for our players has been overwhelmingly positive from the KPI's we have been monitoring.

Shane, would it be possible to describe exactly what the changes were? That is, for which stakes and game types as well as which skins are affected.

no it's not...

I somewhat agree with lock on this and there is not a whole lot I do agree with that they do

Um...

Everyone needs to settle down.

Chip dumping is a breach of all online poker sites T&C, breaches of this term will cause accounts to be banned. Im fairly certain this makes the practice unethical.


At this stage we have just trialled it at the higher stakes of NLH. This means at those levels our players play against each other only. With our current player pool this doesn't reduce the action for our players, but does mean that our casual players are only exposed to our own regular players.

So for example if we have 3 regs sitting at a heads up tables waiting for action and another room has 2 regs sitting at the same level of heads up tables and a casual player checks the lobby to play at that level they will only see 3 tables they can sit at and both will have a Lock player sitting at them.

Not true.

I wonder if this is what has caused the higher stakes PLO games on tops to dwindle to nothing in the past week. The three weeks before there was a ton of action, but the past week has been completely dead.

If so, it sucks for lots of other players.

T&C doesn't equal moral standard, Shane. Taking this stance is the same as arguing Hitler was more moral than Gandhi. Anyone who confuses the law with morality is a moran.

The law should be a reflection of our moral standards and not the other way around. When they don't reflect, it's our duty to change them.

The players who actually participate in the games didn't design the T&C's and decide what is and isn't acceptable or moral. They merely agreed that they are the structure with which they must operate under. That does not make them the moral law, though.

On the other hand, you advertise a cooperative with a larger number of other entities in which you all enter into a agreement for mutual, social, economic advantages for the companies and players alike. You then turn around and ring off a portion of your player pool from the rest of your Co-op for the direct positive benefit of your sole entity while at the same time impacting a direct negative benefit to the entire rest of the Revolution Gaming Network. Based on this alone you can take your ethics and shove em.

To anyone else, I understand I may be making a mountain out of a mole hill. My beef isn't with this particular issue as much as it is with the overall way Lock has chosen to conduct themselves, and this just happens to be where I'm directing my attention. If need be I can go light this ass clown up about any of the other issues that they're failing at but since he's replying here I figured it would be a good place for dialogue.

There should have been a news release about this OR at the very least a e-mail to your players or a post in this thread BEFORE news broke. If this wasn't discovered by users here, when would you have told your player base about these changes? Why did players have to deduce this themselves? What's the point of attempting to network with your players on this website if you aren't going to break news to them? This seemed too important to withhold.

Also, I'm obviously ignorant, so please explain to me how this isn't a move to keep money in house on Lock poker to prevent liquidity issues by having to pay out to other skins? Please give me an explanation in simple terms, I'm not accusing, I'm asking.

Also, this is a GIANT leap... but, if segregating tables from other networks and not telling players about it because you wanted to protect the fish is something Lock does.... How big of a leap is rigging hands? I mean really...

Not a good sign when the owner of the network partitions it's own players from that network. Unprecedented.

as long as it never comes to mid or high stakes 6 max tables

[QUOTE=imjustshane;37085307]Actually it improves the ecology for our players so its great for our players.

By the way, chip dumping is unethical regardless of this.

{it's great for your guys pockets}

Thanks for the answer Shane but I am confused due to the Ops post saying he noticed it first on PLO tables. When you say higher stakes, what are those stakes?

It has already come to non high stakes fixed limit hold em games.

for 6 max or just HU??
if it is for 6 max too that is ridiculous and would ruin the game completely

All games. And yes it killed the games.

yeah I like to play 5/10+ flo8 and there has been little to no action there the past week other than the occassional guy/gal that will sit to play HU. Hasn't gotten more than 1 table 5 handed that i've seen in the past week.

Other networks have gone the other way, segregated lower stakes games where traffic is high network wide.

What you've done is completely ****ed the high stakes player on other skins. (playing on lock directly is hardly an option when cash outs are up to 7 weeks.)


You're way behind on paying your skins also right?

The hundreds of thousands that will now not be cashed out as new HS player buy funds through trades should help a lot right? Hopefully this will buy you guys a couple more months before you have to declare bankruptcy.

I think you hit the nail right on the head. We have got to do something about this, we can't let them keep getting away with this. I started a boycott thread I hope we get a lot of people involved in taking action, a lot of Lock players use twoplustwo and think we can reach out they are obviously stealing this is 1000% a ponzi scheme of some sort this makes me so mad that they are getting away with this.