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07-01-2013 , 11:45 PM
The numbers indicate that the "network" is divided into 3 parts. Cake/Juicy, Lock, and everybody else. Is that correct?
07-02-2013 , 01:23 AM
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Originally Posted by waq
The numbers indicate that the "network" is divided into 3 parts. Cake/Juicy, Lock, and everybody else. Is that correct?
It looks like it, but they are sharing tables still which is what I don't understand yet. Why are there some tables visible on every skin.
07-02-2013 , 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by blobbloblob
Thoughts?

* there are no promotional tables included

Why you dont count the promotional tables on Lock? This makes no sense.

I checked the full ring tables 1 hour before you:

6 FR 50+ tables were running on Cake, Juicy, Lock(including promotional tables)

3 FR 50+ tables were running on Intertops, Buzz.

So the 3 skins with delayed withdrawals have the highest traffic and in average looser players.
-> You can make much more money than on skins with quick withdrawals but you have to wait much longer for your cash out(as long as they pay)
07-02-2013 , 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by waq
The numbers indicate that the "network" is divided into 3 parts. Cake/Juicy, Lock, and everybody else. Is that correct?
More or less.

8.30 pm EST, Sites checked: Juicy, Cake, Lock, Intertops, Buzz

FR Nl 50
Pebble Beach 14141: Juicy, Cake, Intertops, Buzz
Pebble Beach 14154: Juicy, Cake, Intertops, Buzz
Pebble Beach 19648: Juicy, Cake, Lock
Pebble Beach 20011: Juicy, Cake

FR NL 100
Chelsea 19829: Juicy, Cake, Lock

FR Nl 200
Seville 14136: Juicy, Cake, Intertops, Buzz

Plus 4 NL 50+ promotional tables on Lock.

Last edited by sunsibar; 07-02-2013 at 07:52 AM.
07-02-2013 , 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by sunsibar
Why you dont count the promotional tables on Lock? This makes no sense.
The promotional tables are not connected to any other skins on the network.
07-02-2013 , 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by sunsibar
Why you dont count the promotional tables on Lock? This makes no sense.
Probably because there are some people who are simply trying to get to the bottom of FPT and how it's working now, rather than worrying about what skin looks better than another. Counting the promotional tables would make no sense.
07-02-2013 , 09:08 PM
SPOILER!! I figured out how this new system is running. I will be posting the results as soon as I finish getting all the data.
07-02-2013 , 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by blobbloblob
SPOILER!! I figured out how this new system is running. I will be posting the results as soon as I finish getting all the data.
!
07-02-2013 , 09:29 PM
07-02-2013 , 10:21 PM
Intrigued.
07-02-2013 , 10:57 PM
So... Cake/Juicy, Lock Poker, Intertops+Rest of the Network.

Let's start with...

Cake/Juicy - They view all tables on the network accept for 1 type of tables.

Intertops/Rest of the Network - They have their own set of tables, which is also viewable on Cake/Juicy

Lock Poker - They have their own set of tables, which is also Viewable on Cake/Juicy

Cake/Juicy is not able to view any Lock PLO tables except for one table stake being PLO200. This might just be a bug, but who knows.

Lock Tables are table #s are 19000+
Intertops tables are table #s are 11000-14000

Cake/Juicy will have 2 empty tables, one will be Lock's table# and the other will be Intertops table#

However all the Microstakes tables have table# 11000-15000 which means Lock is segregating themselves.

I also don't see any signs of Fair Play Tech, but just a Segregated site. This all means that the Professional Rakeback article was correct all along, but did not know that Cake/Juicy gets to play with Lock Poker.

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Originally Posted by imjustshane
Just to confirm, contrary to online reports Fair Play has not be removed with just Lock players at certain limits removed.

Fair Play has been greatly reduced but there is still a system in place that is restricting players ability to see all tables across the network.
Fair Play is just a 'cleaner' term for Segregation or Ring Fencing, but I want to know why Cake/Juicy gets to play with everyone.

I think I covered everything, Thoughts?




Last edited by blobbloblob; 07-02-2013 at 11:03 PM.
07-02-2013 , 11:04 PM
Intresting gonna take a few hours to digest, thanks for doing this. Guess the biggest question is now what does this have to do the skins and there finances at the moment, or is chip dumping really that rampant. Wouldn't this also just lead to juicy / cake chip dumping to tops instead of lock to tops? lol.
07-02-2013 , 11:06 PM
Great work!
07-03-2013 , 06:10 AM
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Originally Posted by blobbloblob
I also don't see any signs of Fair Play Tech, but just a Segregated site. This all means that the Professional Rakeback article was correct all along, but did not know that Cake/Juicy gets to play with Lock Poker.
Quote:

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Originally Posted by imjustshane
Yes. The network management team had no idea where it came from and how it was suddenly being passed off as news.

This is an interesting fabrication Shane. PokerFuse independently confirmed that Fair Play was gone.



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However, according to reports, first disclosed by US affiliate and since confirmed by pokerfuse, the policy has been lifted. No further grading or categorization of players will take place.
I'd like the reader here to ask yourself what is more likely:

1) That PokerFuse as well as PROFRB are just making up fairy tales.

or the alternative

2) That Shane is once again not telling the entire truth.
Yet again, Shane is FOS.


--
Kahn

Last edited by Mike Haven; 08-19-2013 at 06:16 AM.
07-03-2013 , 08:25 AM
Great post blobb!

Seems segregation (to some extent) must have to do with the speed of withdrawals/value of funds between the skins.

Intertops is completely segregated from lock, I think it is fair to assume this is because intertops actually pays its players and to prevent chip dumping from lock>Tops.

Cake/Juicy/Lock can all play together because the cashout times/value of funds is about the same.(afaik)

Edit*

Hmm..As far as juicy being able to play with intertops, maybe its so enough tables will run? Perhaps there hasnt been major chip dumping between these skins?...dunno

Last edited by laxfunds; 07-03-2013 at 08:48 AM.
07-03-2013 , 09:06 AM
Lock appears to be the 'little bitch' of the network, and is not ever allowed to play with any skin that can actually cashout its players.

Cake/Juicy still have some exposure to the 'quality' skins.
07-03-2013 , 11:16 AM
FPT gone or not... this is pretty bad for 5pm local time.

Little action on NL100 (obviously secregated)


Almost no action on NL50: (EDIT)
Updated cause even more players dropped in the last few minutes.


Some action on NL20 but I don't play NL20.


So basically I don't get enough volume to justify playing on there cause there aint enough games to hedge a slap of variance or a bad run. I do like the flop % though
07-03-2013 , 01:04 PM
Tonight I'm going to get data on Juicy/Lock/Intertops and compare them with Black Chip Poker, Carbon Poker and Sportsbook(If i create an account).
07-03-2013 , 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by blobbloblob
So... Cake/Juicy, Lock Poker, Intertops+Rest of the Network.

Let's start with...

Cake/Juicy - They view all tables on the network accept for 1 type of tables.

Intertops/Rest of the Network - They have their own set of tables, which is also viewable on Cake/Juicy

Lock Poker - They have their own set of tables, which is also Viewable on Cake/Juicy

Cake/Juicy is not able to view any Lock PLO tables except for one table stake being PLO200. This might just be a bug, but who knows.

Lock Tables are table #s are 19000+
Intertops tables are table #s are 11000-14000

Cake/Juicy will have 2 empty tables, one will be Lock's table# and the other will be Intertops table#

However all the Microstakes tables have table# 11000-15000 which means Lock is segregating themselves.

I also don't see any signs of Fair Play Tech, but just a Segregated site. This all means that the Professional Rakeback article was correct all along, but did not know that Cake/Juicy gets to play with Lock Poker.



Fair Play is just a 'cleaner' term for Segregation or Ring Fencing, but I want to know why Cake/Juicy gets to play with everyone.

I think I covered everything, Thoughts?
Hmm, I like the work so far blobbloblob, the only inference I would like to make is that I think that Lock must not be completely segregated from other skins like Intertops. I just checked and it looks like that Lock players can see/play on tables with Intertops at 20NL and BELOW (50NL and above looks like where the segregation really begins).

This is all yuck though.
07-03-2013 , 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by bhuber2010
I just checked and it looks like that Lock players can see/play on tables with Intertops at 20NL and BELOW (50NL and above looks like where the segregation really begins).
We all knew this already, but we didn't know how it worked at the 50NL+ stakes
07-04-2013 , 09:13 AM
check juicy / cake nl50 games and then check lock's nl50 games hammerman you will be surprised the diffference of how many more tables there are on juicy.
07-04-2013 , 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by NoChopNinja
check juicy / cake nl50 games and then check lock's nl50 games hammerman you will be surprised the diffference of how many more tables there are on juicy.
Just to add on, but not to a huge detail.

Juicy/Cake see all the NLHE tables on the network(minus Lock promo tables) and Intertops only gets to see One half of the tables, while Lock has the other half of the tables.
07-04-2013 , 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by NoChopNinja
check juicy / cake nl50 games and then check lock's nl50 games hammerman you will be surprised the diffference of how many more tables there are on juicy.
I believe you without installing all the clients. Lock is the only US facing room I'm currently playing on. Not that I'm getting a lot more tables shown on PartyES or 888ES. Spanish regulation sucks.
07-04-2013 , 05:22 PM
i was planning of moving up a limit but i got segregated off the better tables and have little possibility to survive if i move up at this network. i will need to do it elsewhere.

the upper limit one hasnt beaten yet for a longer time should not be segregated. i have no problem with it later but will like it, preparing me for the next limit up.
07-04-2013 , 06:56 PM
If you are on Lock switch to Intertops. If you are on Intertops switch to Lock.(highly don't recommend) If you are on Juicy Stakes play on a different network.

      
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