FAQ for FAIR PLAY TECHNOLOGY - Page 4 - Two Plus Two

If segregation was just to protect new players so that they can get some experience, wouldn't it make more sense to simply set some .02/.04 tables aside for new players and allow them to play at those until a certain amount of time has gone by or until they've won a certain amount of money rather than to go through all of this?

Or this:

Joescammer binks off $200 playing and losing at .02/.04 over a six month period, gets his fish ranking, then moves up in stakes to the .25/.50 fish tables.

The new ecosystem will actually be a network of doctored accounts targeting the fish tables.

03-06-2013 , 02:07 AM

#78

rakeme

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 6,715

Quote:

Originally Posted by 300zxrider

Isn't Party already doing something like this? Party's not broke. I don't think Lock is rolling in cash but them doing this doesn't correlate with being broke imo.

The length of time it takes to cashout, plus this new fairplay nonsense makes me think they are broke. Intertops takes 5 days to cash people out, so Lock should take at worst 3-4 weeks if they were solvent. 3-4 months is ridiculous!

03-06-2013 , 02:27 AM

#79

jamthe3

banned

Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,269

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03-06-2013 , 04:00 AM

#80

Schwatt

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 4,521

Quote:

Originally Posted by rakeme

Precisely. That's why it's 100% obvious that Lock is insolvent. I hope Intertops moves to a new network.

I've seen this posted many times in different threads and it makes no sense to me.

Why do you need Intertops to move if you want to play on a different network?

There are already sites on other USA networks that have fast cashouts. If Intertops switches networks, there will be none on Revolution.

03-06-2013 , 05:59 AM

#81

kevinb1983

old hand

Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,632

@LiarsDice

Quote:

Originally Posted by LiarsDice

Btw, if this is what it took for you to say "that's it" and throw in the cards you'll receive next to zero sympathy from anyone outside of this forum.

I'm asking for zero sympathy and have no clue wtf you're talking about!

Just read Gunth0807's first post.

I'm not concerned with him. To the best of my knowledge he's partially in the business of buying/selling funds. The effect of this is different on him, as it is with you.

You've stuck it out this long and play through three-month withdraw times and .60 vig offerings and withered traffic, so my money is on you still riding it out for at least a bit longer.

Nope

As for it not effecting me because I am a SNG player made me laugh out loud, literally.

Why? It doesn't directly effect you!

Quote:

Originally Posted by imjustshane

Q – Are MTT’s and Sit & Go’s included in the categorisation?
A – Fair Play technology will not be applied to tournaments. We believe that recreational players do not lose their bankroll as quickly and therefore receive sufficient entertainment value and opportunity to learn while playing tournaments. All players will be able to access all Network tournaments.

Should I start playing cash games to appease you so that I somehow have validity in what I was trying to tell you so that I am on the right side of the "pissed off bad guys"?

Another WTF . Does this change directly affect you? It does me! For you to criticize my reaction to this when it directly affects me, while at the same time indirectly affecting you is lol. As for being on the wrong side of the "pissed off bad guys", that was a reference to you sticking up for a dirtbag, specifically Shane.

I haven't attacked anyone voicing displeasure about Lock

Um, yes you have

they SHOULD voice their displeasure.

I was

Not everyone feels the need to tell people to **** off though like you do when they vent and act like some monkey who eats its own **** in the zoo when they're peeved off.

You know, that's just, like, your opinion, man. Seriously, though, I didn't say a thing out of line till my second post, which was a reply to you criticizing me. TBH the only reason I replied like I did, if it wasn't evident by my last reply and tone, was because I thought you were trolling, like I stated in my last post.

Try being a keyboard warrior in public and see how long you go without getting cracked in the jaw though.

I hope you have a good Dental plan.

I singled you out specifically for your lack character as an individual, not because you don't have justifications for disapproving of Lock and what they've done to you. Can you see the difference?

Orly? This post was reason to single me out about my "character"?

Quote:

Originally Posted by kevinb1983

Shane, do you ever just stop and think to yourself how much **** you proclaim around here that never even comes remotely close to fruition? Seriously, Shane, your track record is pathetic.

This isn't 99% accurate?

Have been really hoping for you guys to finally come around and get your **** together. Not many better options available but on principle alone I cannot continue to play on your network.

This isn't 99% accurate + including my hopes they would succeed and stop being idiots?

Will be back later to post a screenshot of my account balance, a big fat zero.

This isn't me being proactive in letting them know that what they're doing will have repercussions, truly the only real effect I can have?

How about you forward that to the appropriate department you ****ing lackey.

Okay maybe I'm being a bit of an ******* here but, tbh, I don't think it's that inaccurate or out of line! He is constantly pacifying people and feeding em this BS. He deserves a little dig when just less than a week ago he was promising new changes to the cashier (the worst aspect of Lock till possibly this) that were literally brushed aside to make way for the announcement of Fairplay only for there to be no real announcement on Fairplay?!!! I'm out of line for cutting into the man a little bit about this????

Perhaps you need to read ALL of my posts, because I don't condone anything that Lock or Shane has done (you obviously missed my first response to you pointing out that imo Shane patronizes people and misses the point of a lot of questions asked of him).

Nope, gave it a direct reply. Perhaps you need to read ALL of my posts.

So much fail in your post

Really? Where?

but I digress, you win, and I am going to let the thread move on as this is futile and completely derailing the purpose of it.

While I agree with you here, this is nobody but you and I talking. Like I said before, if you don't like my post content, put me on block. If you wish to continue this conversation PM me.

03-06-2013 , 06:36 AM

#82

imjustshane

Lock Poker Representative

Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 2,661

I have an update for Fixed Limit players, they gave me this statement:

Maintaining liquidity is very important for the Network. Because beginner/recreational players do not lose their bankroll as quickly on FL , the low stakes FL Holdem and Omaha games will be shared between all groups in order to maintain sufficient liquidity on the Network.

03-06-2013 , 06:48 AM

#83

jamthe3

banned

Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,269

Quote:

Originally Posted by imjustshane

That's a plus; would you mind sharing w/us or finding out and then sharing w/us, if you don't already have the answer, what stakes are considered low stakes with ya'all. Not being a smart arse here, just asking as before high stakes seemed to be 1/2 or higher by ya'all. As such, I think that's a legitimate question.

Thanks,
John

Last edited by jamthe3; 03-06-2013 at 06:49 AM. Reason: oops

03-06-2013 , 07:12 AM

#84

umakenocentsbro

grinder

Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 680

what abk

03-06-2013 , 07:12 AM

#85

umakenocentsbro

grinder

Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 680

what about PLO

03-06-2013 , 07:19 AM

#86

StarsPro

banned

Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 84

03-06-2013 , 12:00 PM

#87

sfgolfnut

enthusiast

Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 80

Quote:

Originally Posted by imjustshane

Translation: The rake is sufficiently high at low limits that there are very few winning players and we want to keep games running so no "fair play" at low stakes.

Thanks Shane, this makes a world of difference. NOT!

03-06-2013 , 12:15 PM

#88

ColdClayChip

journeyman

Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 260

Quote:

Originally Posted by imjustshane

Q – Will players know what group they are in?
A – Players will not receive any official notice within the client to say they are in a particular category. This may be something we consider in future but is not included for the initial rollout.

.

It occurred to me that it really shouldn't be difficult for 2+2 posters to figure out which class they are in.

*If you can't see the high stakes HU games, congratulations you're a fish! Lower Class

*If you can see the high stakes HU games, but can't see the 3-max tables, you're prolly driving a Geo. Middle Class

*If you can see the 3-max tables, you've got 99 problems, but a fish ain't one. Upper Class

03-06-2013 , 12:25 PM

#89

chg123

banned

Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 31

Has the segregation actually gone into place? I can't see any 3max tables or anything like that. If the segregation has occurred, I hope this means I am in the lower tier!

03-06-2013 , 12:34 PM

#90

ColdClayChip

journeyman

Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 260

I don't think so, Shane said this mornings maintenance was in preparation, and later this week or early next week it goes live.

03-06-2013 , 12:58 PM

#91

dfsuperstar

veteran

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 2,417

Quote:

Originally Posted by imjustshane

ya I know you guys were saying 1-2 for NL and up but the equivalent for for fixed limit would be 10-20

03-06-2013 , 01:30 PM

#92

Mccormick

old hand

Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 1,982

Quote:

Originally Posted by ColdClayChip

*If you can see the 3-max tables, you've got 99 problems, but a fish ain't one. Upper Class

What's a 3-max table? never seen that in my life, on any site, anywhere, ever. I mean, it's obvious what it is

but.. do these actually exist? o.O

03-06-2013 , 01:34 PM

#93

llllllll

Guest

Posts: n/a

Betfair have 3max. They're rife with collusion.

03-06-2013 , 01:47 PM

#94

ColdClayChip

journeyman

Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 260

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mccormick

What's a 3-max table? never seen that in my life, on any site, anywhere, ever. I mean, it's obvious what it is

but.. do these actually exist? o.O

The G911 article that detailed the segregation (and Shane referred to) said that the upper class would have exclusive access to 3-max tables. I guess once it goes live we'll see if that's accurate.

If not, there will be other indicators. It wouldn't surprise me at all if the formula for determining class becomes known as well. 2+2'ers will either figure it out, or one of the other skins will leak it to their players at some point. I think the point is more to keep the new sign-ups in the dark.

If you don't want us discussing this Shane, please say so.

Last edited by ColdClayChip; 03-06-2013 at 01:57 PM.

03-06-2013 , 02:33 PM

#95

KidDelicious

grinder

Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 582

Is the NL cash table segregation for all stakes or just 1/2+?

03-06-2013 , 02:40 PM

#96

JimAfternoon

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Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 6,903

all stakes

03-06-2013 , 02:43 PM

#97

imjustshane

Lock Poker Representative

Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 2,661

Quote:

Originally Posted by ColdClayChip

They havent specified that it will remain secret, Im sure once its live we will see people in here reverse engineer it to work it all out.

03-06-2013 , 02:58 PM

#98

MicroBob

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Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 61,575

Lol that they don't know how it will work until they roll it out and see what the lobby looks like for the various players. What?

How can you not know? You're just kind of making it up a little and see what the lobby looks like? Are you going to be surprised when this thing results in a big cluster of glitches and turns into a disaster?

03-06-2013 , 03:13 PM

#99

antneye

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Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 7,119

So glad I never deposited on Lock. So I guess I will see most of you on Carbon now?

03-06-2013 , 03:15 PM

#100

Mccormick

old hand

Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 1,982

Well yeah, have fun with i dunno, 25% rakeback or so total on their VIP program instead, and whatever else Merge throws at you there aswell. I'm sure many will swap over, and by rights. And then i'm sure many have already swapped over from Merge to here and will continue to do so aswell, also by rights.

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