FAQ for FAIR PLAY TECHNOLOGY - Page 18 - Two Plus Two

Got an account on Intertops (almost no volume and down 5-6 buyins) that's in the guppy tank and the worst reg at 20NL, guy literally played 200K+ hands in the last month is at all the 19/beginer tables. Naturally, he's also down a ton, but there should be a volume limit to being in the guppy tier. IE, if you play more than 10K/hands per month, you don't qualify. Of course I'm up a couple buyins after playing MAYBE 10K/hands per month and I can't see any of those tables (19 or Beginer) on Lock.

03-14-2013 , 10:10 PM

#427

Schwatt

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 4,521

Shane:

Once you are in tier 3, is there ever a possibility of moving back to tier 2 again without playing?

03-14-2013 , 10:21 PM

#428

JimAfternoon

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 6,903

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarkoPolo

The whole thing is a disaster. Yesterday a 10NL reg posted that he'd been bumped up to 'advanced'.

How the **** are you supposed to move up if you're a micro player in the top tier?

He's gonna have to play the top 1/3 of every stakes as he moves up from now on. That's just brutal and stupid.

03-14-2013 , 10:27 PM

#429

DaycareInferno

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 18,285

its pretty obvious that the people that put this together are pretty clueless about what they're doing. setting aside whether or not the concept is a good idea, the mechanics of it are completely idiotic.

03-14-2013 , 10:30 PM

#430

higher visions

adept

Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 827

Quote:

Originally Posted by JimAfternoon

Your right, but its what they want. Idealy they would love to kill 200nl and up.

03-14-2013 , 10:54 PM

#431

WinLoseChop

journeyman

Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 291

Quote:

Originally Posted by higher visions

Your right, but its what they want. Idealy they would love to remove any chance of anyone being a winning player (regardless of stake) so chips just get pushed around in one big raketrap.

FYP

03-14-2013 , 11:10 PM

#432

Ditch Digger

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,989

Advanced PLO tables:
1 600 PLO, 1 400 PLO, 1 200 PLO, 1 100 PLO, and 2 50 PLO. Awesome move Revolution.

03-14-2013 , 11:27 PM

#433

hawkfan69

newbie

Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 32

So i can see a total of 3 NL .25-50 i am going to assume i am in the top tier then? This whole thing is a Fing joke.

03-14-2013 , 11:34 PM

#434

WinLoseChop

journeyman

Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 291

I agree. Easiest way to check is to download client of skin you don't have account on and view the lobby. You'll probably see a bunch of tables unavailable to you on your skin....

03-14-2013 , 11:35 PM

#435

-DJM-

centurion

Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 169

OK. I was looking at the number of games in the lobby and when I signed in the number of games dropped significantly (note: this was my first time logging in since fair play was started). Hard to believe there are no 6max 50nl games running at 11:30est. Maybe I am too fishy.

03-14-2013 , 11:38 PM

#436

teach2121

grinder

Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 565

yup i see 7 .25/.5nl tables or so not including heads up, and i'm in the middle i believe bc i cant see any beginner tables

03-15-2013 , 12:19 AM

#437

Ben Lopez

grinder

Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 686

What I'm wondering is how often are people re-evaluated. I'm in the bottom tier, but lately I've been playing really well, so how long do I have to play well before I am in the middle tier?

03-15-2013 , 12:27 AM

#438

MarkoPolo

old hand

Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 1,589

Quote:

Originally Posted by JimAfternoon

The best part about their pitch, from Shane, is that the middle tier can play with everyone, which may be true. But, the middle tier, can't play at all tables.

The bottomline is, guppies have their own small set of tables, that no other tier has access to and so do sharks. Simple transitive properties tell you this has to be the case to achieve their goal. I.E., if fish could sit at middle tier tables and so could sharks, then sharks are sitting with fish. Problem is, sitting in the middle tier cuts you off from a nice percentage of the fish you need to survive and move up.

03-15-2013 , 01:03 AM

#439

Ditch Digger

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,989

Middle tier can play at every single table.

03-15-2013 , 01:39 AM

#440

MarkoPolo

old hand

Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 1,589

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ditch Digger

Middle tier can play at every single table.

If this is true, then my account is in the "advanced" tier. Which is ridiculous, a small winner at 10nl and 20nl with small volume should NEVER be there. In fact, an "advanced" tier should be based on winrate/volume/average stake. I would think that any player, who hasn't played a hand above 50nl should never be in the "advanced" tier.

03-15-2013 , 01:41 AM

#441

-DJM-

centurion

Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 169

Quote:

Originally Posted by teach2121

yup i see 7 .25/.5nl tables or so not including heads up, and i'm in the middle i believe bc i cant see any beginner tables

I can't see any beginning tables, I see 3max tables and have no 6max tables running at 50nl so maybe that means top tier? Implementing this is so dumb considering the player pool is limited already. Lock keep it simple, pay people on time, and the players will come.

Last edited by -DJM-; 03-15-2013 at 01:46 AM.

03-15-2013 , 02:05 AM

#442

teach2121

grinder

Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 565

i can see three 6-max tables running at 50nl and one 9-max running there also if that helps

03-15-2013 , 02:48 AM

#443

Schwatt

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 4,521

People, stop asking what tier you are in if you are unable to take 2 minutes to do the following:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schwatt

Easiest way to tell is to download another skin you don't have an account on. You can look at the lobby without an account.

03-15-2013 , 07:37 AM

#444

Game_On

adept

Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 844

Quote:

Originally Posted by JimAfternoon

How long before upper tier players open accounts in their girlfriend's name and we're right back where we started before this was implemented?

lol the technology is so "FAIR" they are seeing a record number of sign-ups from female players! It's working! Lock has solved the disparity of male to female poker players

03-15-2013 , 07:48 AM

#445

Mccormick

old hand

Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 1,982

Quote:

Originally Posted by Game_On

lol the technology is so "FAIR" they are seeing a record number of sign-ups from female players! It's working! Lock has solved the disparity of male to female poker players

LOL

03-15-2013 , 11:55 AM

#446

grumpshky

adept

Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 771

so... to be clear, can the middle tier play at any table? Or just only be able to play any player, but not sit at these beginner tables? Do these beginner tables say "beginner table" on them? Like, can fish know they exist, or can they just sit anywhere and be none the wiser?

03-15-2013 , 12:18 PM

#447

Jerry_B

enthusiast

Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 83

Quote:

Originally Posted by grumpshky

The tables say "Beginner" and are green in the lobby.

03-15-2013 , 03:33 PM

#448

imjustshane

Lock Poker Representative

Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 2,661

Quote:

Originally Posted by grumpshky

The beginner tables arent the only tables the fish can sit at, they are just a new addition to help the new players buy giving them somewhere they can play just with beginners.

There are lost of other tables they can sit at and play against the middle tier players.