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05-28-2012 , 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Duncelanas
Dealt encourages tighter play which just makes the games even tighter (and worse).
Does whether your "rewards" are dealt or contributed change the way you play?
05-28-2012 , 10:18 PM
so where should lock players go to keep playing on merge? whats the best skin in terms of cashouts?
05-28-2012 , 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by KingKongGrinder
Not excited. Lock customer service is beyond terrible.
But cake's is the best in the business (even better then stars imo).

So I'm hoping that revolution keeps some good stuff (like cake's customer support) and gets rid of the bad stuff (like the **** ton of bots at NLHE full ring).

If they do that, it'll be the biggest site on the net (still open for americans). If they don't, and tons will just switch skins on merge and stay there.
05-28-2012 , 11:31 PM
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Originally Posted by waq
Does whether your "rewards" are dealt or contributed change the way you play?
Theoretically it should. In actuality, I don't play cash
05-28-2012 , 11:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Duncelanas
People who don't realize that dealt vs contributed is null in hu games should not have their opinions considered.

This. I'm almost frightened by those who can't figure our why.
05-28-2012 , 11:53 PM
Shane, regarding the cashouts; you strongly implied that other skins and sites stall on payouts so as to maximize interest on player funds. Is that just a hunch or is it more about insider knowledge there?

Also, since you will be running the network now, will steps and policies be implemented so as to stop such practices from your new partners and skins? Evidently, payouts on cake have been dragging for several months. Do you think this is an interest cashgrab there too? Is so, will it be stopped?
05-29-2012 , 12:02 AM
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Originally Posted by MicroBob
This. I'm almost frightened by those who can't figure our why.
Can you tell us exactly how the two methods are calculated?
05-29-2012 , 12:13 AM
If Lock doesn't do something drastic to improve the Cake software, they will wish they had stayed put. It's hard to believe Revolution will have an excellent reputation for cash-outs when Lock is already falling short with their current pool of clients(Ex: slower than promised cash-outs, bounced checks, phantom live customer support).
Lock's executive team seems to be better at marketing than strategic planning. At the end of the day, puffery will not lead to long term success.
05-29-2012 , 12:28 AM
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Originally Posted by LivingOffZSun
If Lock doesn't do something drastic to improve the Cake software, they will wish they had stayed put. It's hard to believe Revolution will have an excellent reputation for cash-outs when Lock is already falling short with their current pool of clients(Ex: slower than promised cash-outs, bounced checks, phantom live customer support).
Lock's executive team seems to be better at marketing than strategic planning. At the end of the day, puffery will not lead to long term success.
i agree with this but have to note that lock has always been trying to be reputable with its players so i think it is best to see wat happens. Wat u have been saying is true, especially with bounced checks. But anywho, every state except utah will be allowed to sign up for revolution and have an option of 36% rb or vip tier program, am i right? and wat will the .com name be? and to those wanting to leave merge i say play on both sites... i have been a carbon player 1yr+ ad have no complaints watsoever. Fast customer service responses and they have improved their cashout times considerably.
05-29-2012 , 12:46 AM
I'm sorry if already answered but could not find.

When I sign up June 1st my account will obv not be verified. Will it still be possible to recieve a transfer without being verified? Would suck to have to wait to get n on the fun.
05-29-2012 , 01:11 AM
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Originally Posted by tommytuffnutz
I'm sorry if already answered but could not find.

When I sign up June 1st my account will obv not be verified. Will it still be possible to recieve a transfer without being verified? Would suck to have to wait to get n on the fun.
If revolution follows merges rules u will be able to receive transfer but most likely won't be able to send. I suggest asking merge right now to enable ur account for transfers just in case and do the same on revolution
05-29-2012 , 01:12 AM
U have to verify ur account just to cashout so may well do it when u can
05-29-2012 , 01:40 AM
Thx for the info and I would go ahead and get evrthng set up now but I am a Kentucky resident and cant sign up till the launch
05-29-2012 , 03:20 AM
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Originally Posted by realeyezImno1
Can you tell us exactly how the two methods are calculated?
It's quite simple. The dealt system distributes points by summing up the rake paid and distributing points evenly. The wc system totals the rake paid by each player and distributes points to each player based on their individual rake. This typically favors loose-passive players while dealt favors nits.
05-29-2012 , 05:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Duncelanas
This typically favors loose-passive players while dealt favors nits.
You are correct but imo I think its more a good player/bad player divide than a LAG/NIT divide. Contributed favors fish a lot more than it does winning LAG players. Dealt tends to favor winning players more in general. A lot of fish dont even have RB, this makes it a giant jack move by most poker sites to switch to contributed. In effect they switch to a method that pays the regs with a high percentage of RB accounts less and rewards the group of players that have a much lower percentage of accounts with RB. Having said that, when we are talking about a VIP system as apposed to straight RB it changes the dynamics significantly quite obviously. The majority of regs will still be getting the shaft personally but Im not sure about the extent of financial gain the site would receive from the change in this case.

Im with MB about killing the BBJ tables being a bigger priority than the way RB is calculated considering its a point system RB system provided the system rewards are set up well.
05-29-2012 , 09:52 AM
Shane can you confirm if you will have a Mac client as I know Cake currently does not, and I not having to use vm software.
05-29-2012 , 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Duncelanas
It's quite simple. The dealt system distributes points by summing up the rake paid and distributing points evenly. The wc system totals the rake paid by each player and distributes points to each player based on their individual rake. This typically favors loose-passive players while dealt favors nits.
Ok thaks. I posted a scenario at #57 could you tell me if I was correct with my math and my assumption that contributed favors hu and not with Microbob was saying?
05-29-2012 , 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Duncelanas
People who don't realize that dealt vs contributed is null in hu games should not have their opinions considered.
if you take the time to read the response i was replying to you would eat your words. the fact still remains, its a good idea.

Last edited by iBOOBOO; 05-29-2012 at 11:41 AM.
05-29-2012 , 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by MicroBob
This. I'm almost frightened by those who can't figure our why.
lol

Last edited by iBOOBOO; 05-29-2012 at 11:42 AM.
05-29-2012 , 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by GTM13
where did u see this?
not official in a sense lock will incorporate it, i was just saying its official on a level of player satisfaction, atleast in a few cases.
05-29-2012 , 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by iBOOBOO
lol merge hustling bank interest

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Originally Posted by MicroBob
Shane, regarding the cashouts; you strongly implied that other skins and sites stall on payouts so as to maximize interest on player funds. Is that just a hunch or is it more about insider knowledge there?

Also, since you will be running the network now, will steps and policies be implemented so as to stop such practices from your new partners and skins? Evidently, payouts on cake have been dragging for several months. Do you think this is an interest cashgrab there too? Is so, will it be stopped?
When i made this statement a few days ago i was saddened to see it was pushed aside. I believe this should be explained in more detail... If bank interest is a possible reasoning for cashout delays, that brings up alot of theories. Could merge over spend and actually be cash short knowing they can cover the shortfall by incorporating bank interest into their budget planning? Exactly how important is bank interest? Keep in mind i might be over thinking and this is purely speculation as i have no clue on the amount of money merge has and interest rates they receive.
05-29-2012 , 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by realeyezImno1
Ok thaks. I posted a scenario at #57 could you tell me if I was correct with my math and my assumption that contributed favors hu and not with Microbob was saying?
You are incorrect.

WC rake is not WTA rake.
05-29-2012 , 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by JimAfternoon
Its true that nits benefit the most from dealt, as they end up getting a higher effective rakeback percentage than anyone else. But just because nits benefit the most, doesnt mean a looser TAG winning player wont also be better off. I initially felt the same way as you, but after researching this for the past few days, there seems to be a lot of evidence indicating that you have to be very loose to do better under WC, like 40 vpip.

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I'm not saying that I think dealt is more fair, because I believe that WC is probably more fair. I think dealt seems to favor the winning players (nits and lags), while the looser, losing players probably get the worst of it. With WC I think the loose, losing players will get their fair share.
Think about that for a moment, close your eyes and sigh

That keeps the losing players on the tables, right? Win, Win.
05-29-2012 , 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by FutureInsights
Think about that for a moment, close your eyes and sigh

That keeps the losing players on the tables, right? Win, Win.
No, because those players don't typically have rakeback or make the most out of their rewards, if they even bother to use their points. So it really just means the site winds up giving back less to players.
05-29-2012 , 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by TheeRealHoff
Shane can you confirm if you will have a Mac client as I know Cake currently does not, and I not having to use vm software.
This has been confirmed many times in many threads. Please search the forums!!!

      
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