you're right, i misread him. anyways what are the advantages and weaknesses of contributed vs dealt methods? most people are saying that dealt is better.

It's complicated, but yes, basically everyone will earn more rakeback under dealt method vs. contributed method.

Shane alrdy stated that they will be switching as soon as they can in the future.

I think he was referring to new lock

Is there an article or thread that explains how everyone is better off with dealt?

I can see how super tight grinders are better off on dealt, but I still would have thought the agressive guys would have been better off with contributed.

Okay I will literally give sombdy a virtual b.j. if I can get a confirmation on Kentucky players allowed action on revolution. I'm so tired of rocking a mullet because that's the only way to get n ky home games

Can someone tell me if the contributed method calculated rake paid off pots won or just what a played contributed.

For example, two players play a session hu for 100 hands with $1 rake taken from each pot. Now it is easy to figure out each player contributed 50 cents to the rake each hand. However, if player A won 60 hands out of the 100 since the rake is taken off the pot does that not mean he actually paid out $60 in rake as opposed to player B who won 40 hands and paid $40 in rake.

Thanks for your time guys.

I'm sure theres a thread somewhere but for 99% of winning players dealt > contributed. You start seeing exceptions at NL200 where there's more reg on reg games. Anybody that plays below those limits and is in favor of contributed is a fool.

Save the BJ please.

The only state that won't be allowed on the Revolution network according to Shane is Utah. So looks like Kentucky is good to go.

Hope this helps

I am not sure if this is true. If the rake is calculated off the total pot then a winning player would benefit from the contributed method. Seems to me the dealt method benefits limit players the most since almost all hands see flops as opposed to nl where there is alot more hands where there is no flop and therefore no rake taken.

This thread has some pretty good explanations if you can get through it:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...92/index2.html

It's pretty simple really:

The only people who prefer 'dealt' over 'contributed' are parasites who want to get paid for taking up space at the table and for folding without having to put anything into the pot.

For those of us who make most of our money from the actual play and also those who are more adept at SH or HU play, will always prefer 'weighted contributed' RB method.

But perhaps the most important point, is that the 'dealt' method has an adverse affect on the quality of the games, and creates an unfriendly environment for the 'recreational player' <-- the ultimate source of money in the poker economy.

Dealt method creates incentives to be nitty, as you get paid even for folding and not putting a single $1 at risk; a table full of nits is simply not a fun environment for a person who just sits down to have fun.

Hence why the dealt method is not sustainable in today's IP climate, and any site that chooses to keep the dealt method, will see itself cannibalized.

Add to the RB the ridiculous Rake Races/Chases, and reload bonuses, all of which can be attained and cleared without actually having to play poker and put money in the pot; you create a segment of the poker population who serve absolutely no purpose aside from an artificial or fake liquidity, who are slowly and parasitically draining the $$$ out of the IP eco system.

The last point is to just look at this from the perspective of fairness:

A dealt method is nothing more than a redistribution of $$$ away from the loose/action players to the tight players. As the loose players get a smaller percentage back on their total contribution to the pot, and in many or most cases the tight players still get paid for not putting anything into the pot, or at least not as much.

Weighted contributed simply gives back a fixed proportion of your total contribution. You contribute, you get paid. And when you don't contribute, you don't get paid. All there is to it.

So those who are advocating the dealt over contributed, at least be honest with yourself and realize that you are basically advocating str8 up theft.

put dealt rake on 9 handed tables. and put contributed on short handed tables. that would be funny but could it work?

that's an insane idea! But if you were to try something like this out, it would make infinite more sense to have it the other way around! dealt on hu-sh, and contributed on FR. Think about it this way, say it's a FR table, 9 are dealt into a hand, but only 2 players (bb and sb) see the flop and stack off by the river. So why the f*** should the other 7 (who insta-folded pf) get paid RB on essentially the $$$ that was contributed by only 2 players?

Its true that nits benefit the most from dealt, as they end up getting a higher effective rakeback percentage than anyone else. But just because nits benefit the most, doesnt mean a looser TAG winning player wont also be better off. I initially felt the same way as you, but after researching this for the past few days, there seems to be a lot of evidence indicating that you have to be very loose to do better under WC, like 40 vpip.

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I'm not saying that I think dealt is more fair, because I believe that WC is probably more fair. I think dealt seems to favor the winning players (nits and lags), while the looser, losing players probably get the worst of it. With WC I think the loose, losing players will get their fair share.

If a new playe signs up at revolution on the 1st is that account a rakeback acc.? If not where do u go to get the rakeback. Thx 4 the help

you get to choose vip or 36% rakeback when you sign up, no prerequisites. hopefully you dont already have rakeback on a cake skin because that may possibly affect your ability to get rakeback though im not completely certain on that

This of course is an old discussion.

But how do you think contributed benefits HU players?

I make more money with dealt but it does not change the way I play. With dealt I do not make more money the tighter I play.

And of course it matters if you are talking about a site that only offers RB where the people who would most benefit from contributed tend not to have RB and it is therefore the room that benefits or if everybody benefits equally from a VIP system. Stars has a VIP system and changed to contributed but the way their program is set up it is Stars that benefited from the change the most and the recreational players benefited marginally and the regs of course got............

But VIP systems do not treat everybody equally even if it is based on contributed which is why many people are happy that this new competition has caused Merge to bring RB back and offer it to people who are now in their VIP system.

It's not pretty simple.

ceteris paribus, a competent lag will make more in rb under wc, than under 'dealt'; it's simple math. If we are going to compare d'rb vs wc'rb, we must keep all other variables constant, and when you do this the math is clear. If I am comparing d'rb vs wc'rb, that's what I am doing. If you want to start comparing d'rb vs wc'rb vs multi-tier vip rewards, vs etc. things get a bit more complecated, ldo. Hence why we need to simplify and standardize the analysis. But it really doesn't have to be all this complicated. All you need to do is just look at the incentives structure facing different segments of the players base, and when you do, it's pretty clear that dealt benefits most the class of the poker population that as a group has an adverse affect on the quality of the games.

I think what most are not understanding, is that there was a time in IP history when dealt made perfect sense. Back when there was a sufficient critical mass of clueless players, and the dealt method brought the much needed core liquidity to the poker rooms. However, today it's 2012, and the the average players is nowhere as clueless as he/she was even say 3-4 years ago. Games are much tighter as it is, and under such dynamics the dealt method becomes parasitic and cannibalizing.

So this means that now the tight player does not benefit as much now as he did in the past from dealt RB. Therefore is more parasitic and cannibalizing now?

Dealt encourages tighter play which just makes the games even tighter (and worse).

ok so its official, lock- put contributed on 9 handed tables and dealt on 6max and hu

where did u see this?

People who don't realize that dealt vs contributed is null in hu games should not have their opinions considered.

Stirring up trouble I am.