im always assuming there are more high volume/medium volume grinders/rakebackpros/goodplayers then fish and randos nowadays. probably wrong

+ lock's reward system automatically rewards fish and randos lot more then any other site so they dont do stupid **** like buy a t-shirt or forget to use their points and then bust.

i dont see how its viable to keep it unlimited?
the requirement to get blackelite is awesomely easy.


lol just realized microbob said since feb 2011. k i have no idea how they make money now. o wells, works for me. reward system treating me gooot

booger - They did Ronin in early 2011. Certainly didn't have as many players then (pre-Black Friday) so probably weren't maxing out the prizes anyway. But the number of prizes at each level I think were exactly the same when I joined Lock in April, 2011 and it looked it was a carry-over month after month of the same thing.

I thought the same things a lot of players currently think about the maxing out stuff. "Is it even worth playing? How do I know if I can still get level X or if it is maxed-out."

But I started playing there on April 17, 2011 or something (shortly after Black-Friday) and got every single Ronin level so then I thought, "okay, well, looks like they don't have enough players for this max-out thing to matter anyway. Or, if they do, they don't actually implement the max thing."

Then Lock was forced to nuke Ronin in June, 2011 as per Merge directive. May, 2011 was the last time they did Ronin as a member of Merge.

The only reason I know they did it before April, 2011 (even though I wasn't playing there) was because they were super-slow to update their promo page on their website and it looked obvious that it was just something they were doing month after month and was a given. Somewhere there was a reference to "running all month in February" (or January or whatever) whereas other places were updated properly for the current month.


Anyway, they announced a couple months ago that they were going to bring back Ronin almost immediately when they announced they were leaving Merge to purchase the Cake Network.

In fact, I was about ready to make a joke post, "Bring back Ronin!!" when they said, "hey, we're leaving Merge. New promos coming!!" But then they beat me to it and said they actually ARE going to bring back Ronin before I could even make that crack.

At that point I went, "whoa. Really? Holy crap!!"

So when we start seeing client changes? I just started on Lock today and realized the client is the old Cake client and don't see any improvements really. I really would like to see Lock get off the feet a bit and see some real changes.

I do like the Ronin and the deposit bonus however. Now that I am seeing the writing on the wall that FTP and PS may be a US facing site once regulated, that will bring Lock to it's knees. I would like to see it happen and get it to be the best poker site but I am not sure the strength of PS will see it's demise.

It kinda sucks for the low MGR guys they started with the enforcing the limits at each level. It's definitely going to motivate me to grind a lot more since I don't want to miss any of the levels.

It is very easy to see how much rake has accumulated for tournaments on the stat page, but how about cash games? It doesnt seem to be easily listed on that page unless i am overlooking it...

thanks!

I remember on lock merge you see your points easily in cash games. I am just starting on lock. Been hiding out for a few months. I thought by now, we would see some positive changes. All I see is negatives on the forum about Lock and not positives. I would really like to see it work.

There are some Lock pros that I respect and like to see this happen.

Not sure why this is causing any issue. Its been listed on their webpage that the prizes were limited for 3 months. Just because they are now doing it doesn't mean its a bad promotion or a step in the wrong direction. If anything, for me, its a positive that they are getting things together and actually have a tracking page for Ronin.

Ronin + that deposit bonus is the "most valued" promotion I've ever been a part of by a site (and I've been around for 6-7 years). Value for the player isn't an issue for Lock.

Say what you want about Lock, but their promotions are the top notch. Sure, they have problems that still need working out, but the value comes close to making up for it. There are still some people having issues and I hope they are taken care of. Remember there are many players having no issues on Lock, but don't post anything here.

Errrrrr ummmmm are there Lock protocols in place to check and make sure players that finish high in Ronin are people and not Robots???

Interesting. With current Rakeback percentages totaling over 100%, i can definately see this site being a target for botters.

<cough> check the PTR on some of the current Ronin leaders <cough>

<cough> PTR even has a bot index <cough>

<cough> I've never ever seen a PTR PLO bot index above 70 before today (heck I'd never seen one above 45) <cough>

Are you seriously suggesting that the top guys on the leader board are PLO bots?

Nope, read post #134 I'm asking what is Lock doing.

On the front page of Lock's forum are several "coluder/cheating" threads. Furthermore, as Mccormick just posted, the Lock promos are good enough to attract the wrong element along with fair player just looking for a good place to play ev wise.

Oh yeah, I just finished reading the "sng cullion tourn #" thread in which Microbob stated it is up to the players to be watchdogs.

I'm not accusing anyone of anything, I'm just a watchdogin' and asking questions.

BUT, I must say that after a quick PTR search, what I found was enough for me to ask the question from post #134.

Okay, just for curiosities sake what PLO player did you PTR and even have a notion that they were a bot?

Considering you wrote this, you seem pretty convinced:

<cough> check the PTR on some of the current Ronin leaders <cough>

<cough> PTR even has a bot index <cough>

<cough> I've never ever seen a PTR PLO bot index above 70 before today (heck I'd never seen one above 45) <cough>

I would not trust ptr's bot index to be terribly meaningful.

Wicane, I seemed pretty convinced? Pretty convinced of what?

Lets take a step back for a second. If you want to question my methods, I can live with that. In the history of 2+2 there have been plenty of posts that started something like, "do you think this person is a bot?" I could have done that but didn't. Post #134 was reasonable question, post #136 was me coughing up some stuff I saw.

PTR is free to register, I'm not going to post someone ID on here without anyone else saying hmmm I looked up a few people and I back you up that one of top Ronin leaders looks a bit weird stat wise. As I write this there are 8 players at Level 11, check those players to see if any seem strange, my Post #134 seems legite in asking if Lock has any protocols to see if high finishing Ronin Leaderboards are people and not bots.

edit...as Microbob just pointed out the bot index doesn't prove much. You could play perfect GTO and have a high number. Which is a reason I didn't post a name, but instead just asked...POST #134 (for the bazzilionth time) wonder if Lock is using the Leaderboard as a protocol to make sure nothing is going on cheating wise.

edit #2 ummm a lot of sports today like the Olympics drug test the people that win. I was simply asking if Lock has a high Ronin finish test in place.

I'm sure Lock has bot detection software. If someone could effectively program a bot(and make it hard to detect) to beat or BE .5/1+ I'd be absolutely shocked.

You're obviously calling out JustFold22, which is me. I am not a bot, nor do I think plo bots even exist.

Check out my pg&c thread to follow me this month, if you want. I know, I'm plugging my thread here, but oh well.

I for one hate the limited rewards method Lock is using and just want to make sure those limited rewards are being passed out to legit players. That is all.


But, and this is very important, anyone on pace to make $100,000+ a year has my respect. I don't care if it comes from straight up win rate, win rate + rake back (we all know rake is too high) or what ever. Kudos.

"limited rewards" for a rake-race seriously shouldn't be a big deal. The top-end players in this rewards structure will make well over 100% rakeback at really high volume.

so if you are disappointed in this then be prepared to be more disappointed in the future because it is unlikely it will stay this good forever.

That is not the point.

Also the over 100% actually had several players wondering if Lock was "giving away the house" kinda a "if it is too good to be true" or a la FTP wondering if this 100% stuff was being done with player's money that should be segregated.

Don't read into anything I posted. If that is a problem I'll reference Post #134 for the 16th million time today, because that was my original question that of course wasn't answered by a Lock rep. Everything since has been tangents to that original question.

Okay, then I don't understand what the point is. You said you hate the limited rewards. I said that I believe they are completely understandable and explained why.

not that i have anything relevant to say, other than your SN and display picture reminds me of an account of a friend of mines for CNC zero hour on gamereplays.org lol

Did we get an answer to this yet?

Yea my trial is almost done, would be nice to know if I can get it for free or not.