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02-13-2012 , 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by tyler_cracker
wooster,

emulators?

(i don't have an iDevice so i can't help you.)
Have tested on the simulators... but want to just make sure its working on real devices before I release...
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02-14-2012 , 05:12 AM
Nevermind found it

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02-14-2012 , 07:16 AM
How the hell do I simply get a comma separated list of email addresses found in my mailbox - either in gmail or Thunderbird?

I have a bunch of email messages tagged as "BlahBlah." When I click the BlahBlah label, it shows me all the email messages. Now how the **** do I simply extract all the email addresses out of that list?

The mail is in Thunderbird too; no idea how to do this. If I select all the applicable messages and hit "reply," in gmail I get a labeled message instead of a CSV in the address bar; in Thunderbird they are sent as attachments.

WTF
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02-14-2012 , 12:27 PM
Pokerstars has launched an iPhone app... I thought there were pretty strict app store rules against gambling apps... wonder how they got it approved

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...l#post31533582
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02-14-2012 , 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWooster
Pokerstars has launched an iPhone app... I thought there were pretty strict app store rules against gambling apps... wonder how they got it approved

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...l#post31533582
Wow that's a damn good question. I thought they were super strict about this too. My first thought was play money only but it's real money too.
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02-14-2012 , 01:01 PM
There's probably a **** ton of money involved in some way
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02-14-2012 , 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by bjordan
Wow that's a damn good question. I thought they were super strict about this too. My first thought was play money only but it's real money too.
Ye... real money, and looks like you can play just about anything that you can on the desktop client. I can only imagine they have come to some sort of arrangement with apple....

Edit:... ye, what Gullanian said
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02-14-2012 , 01:06 PM
A decent chunk of generated rake would probably be an irresistible proposition to Apple when all they need to do is click a button. I'm not sure now though if this is a foot in the door for gambling apps. It would be a shame in my opinion, not being able to gamble on an iPhone isn't something people complain about much. Making it more accessible than it already is is also dangerous from an ethical stand point as well.
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02-14-2012 , 01:15 PM
Maybe the rules are a little more flexible with the new CEO.
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02-14-2012 , 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Gullanian
A decent chunk of generated rake would probably be an irresistible proposition to Apple when all they need to do is click a button. I'm not sure now though if this is a foot in the door for gambling apps. It would be a shame in my opinion, not being able to gamble on an iPhone isn't something people complain about much. Making it more accessible than it already is is also dangerous from an ethical stand point as well.
Ye, it will be a shame if it opens the door for other gambling apps as I think they would end up swamping the app store. While it might be good for poker in the short term, I think it will be very bad for 'apps' in the long term. Gambling on your phone will massively appeal to the more degenerate gamblers, but not so much to the professional gamblers who will prefer the larger screen and more fixed environment.

Pokerstars might be reputable, but I bet there are a **** load of shady companies who would love to get a gambling app into the app store and I think it would just end up backfiring a few months down the line.

What makes this even more surprising is that Apple have allowed this even after the whole DOJ incident....
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02-14-2012 , 02:12 PM
why not just release the app for jailbroken iphones and not pay the apple rake? seems like tapping into the us jb market is more valuable than doing it through the app store only in the UK and while giving up a ton of your profit to Apple.
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02-14-2012 , 03:38 PM
If they released it on JB then there is no way they would ever be able to get it on the app store. The very fact that it has been approved must meant that some serious negotiation has gone on.
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02-14-2012 , 03:57 PM
itt 2p2ers suggesting gambling software be banned to protect people from themselves

IIRC apple, like paypal has only had a "hardline anti-gambling" stance in America. For the longest time there's been a betfair app, and most bookies and trade platforms have some sort of mobile client.


Went to tescos just before and thumbed through .net magazine - didn't see any construct2 probably didn't look hard enough, but I did check most pages.
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02-14-2012 , 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWooster
If they released it on JB then there is no way they would ever be able to get it on the app store. The very fact that it has been approved must meant that some serious negotiation has gone on.
there is value to being the first, for sure. but in reality, if they had a JB app, and some other poker site got their app approved, Apple would have a hard time keeping PokerStars out. In fact, if a significant percentage of the rake was on the line, Apple would be dumb to not approve it.
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02-14-2012 , 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by sylar
there is value to being the first, for sure. but in reality, if they had a JB app, and some other poker site got their app approved, Apple would have a hard time keeping PokerStars out. In fact, if a significant percentage of the rake was on the line, Apple would be dumb to not approve it.
True, but also, I dont know what the % is of JB vs non JB phones, but I would imagine that (especially within pokerstars' user base), there is a higher % of non JB iphones..... I rekon they will have reached a larger user base this way.
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02-14-2012 , 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by _dave_
itt 2p2ers suggesting gambling software be banned to protect people from themselves

IIRC apple, like paypal has only had a "hardline anti-gambling" stance in America. For the longest time there's been a betfair app, and most bookies and trade platforms have some sort of mobile client.


Went to tescos just before and thumbed through .net magazine - didn't see any construct2 probably didn't look hard enough, but I did check most pages.
Yeah the reporter sent us the wrong date, it's issue 226 which is the next one but I don't know when it's due out! Any time now. I think perhaps the date he sent was a final date to send to print or something, not sure. (Sorry for wasting your time but it is in next issue )
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02-14-2012 , 04:14 PM
oh yeah, there's millions more non-JB phones. i guess the question really is whether Apple is petty enough to not let a Cydia app back into the App store. and the move also would have to make sense for Pokerstars. if they could get twice as many hands played but only net half the rake per hand, maybe it wouldn't make sense unless future growth is considered.
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02-14-2012 , 04:14 PM
Anyone here with experience in providing SaaS? Even very basic stuff like "how do I roughly calculate bandwidth/hardware requirements for X users (given certain use cases)". Looked around on Amazon's page, their base subscription comes out at about 75$/month how many users doing light work could I squeeze into that?

How hard/possible is switching suppliers i.e. let's say I start out running on Amazon then want to switch to whatever other providers there are (Google or smth.)...mostly concerned about how much lock in there is/how much room for negotiation I'd have if my app grows like Twitter 2.0 etc.

(probably a decent idea for a seperate thread?)
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02-14-2012 , 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by _dave_
itt 2p2ers suggesting gambling software be banned to protect people from themselves
Also yeah sorry, my anti online gambling politics do come out in this forum lol, I respect peoples opinions though. I just had a rough time with it and everyone I know does/did as well.
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02-14-2012 , 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by clowntable
Anyone here with experience in providing SaaS? Even very basic stuff like "how do I roughly calculate bandwidth/hardware requirements for X users (given certain use cases)". Looked around on Amazon's page, their base subscription comes out at about 75$/month how many users doing light work could I squeeze into that?

How hard/possible is switching suppliers i.e. let's say I start out running on Amazon then want to switch to whatever other providers there are (Google or smth.)...mostly concerned about how much lock in there is/how much room for negotiation I'd have if my app grows like Twitter 2.0 etc.

(probably a decent idea for a seperate thread?)
Not sure if this would answer your specific questions or if it would be too basic, but it may be worth looking at, given your timing!

Starting Feb 20th: Software Engineering for Software as a Service (Berkeley/Coursera)
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02-14-2012 , 05:16 PM
Oh the engineering part is "not super hard"
Model: postgres+schema based multi-tenant architecture is what I have in mind
controller: not sure what i'll pick controller wise but probably user1.app.com domain seperation)

I just have no clue how much load and/or traffic is created by X users. Basically on a high abstraction level I view SaaS as a premium on hosting for which you get certain software. I'm wondering how much I'd have to charge per user/per 10 users etc. so I kind of need to know what costs 10 typical users would create for me

Not sure it's clear what I'm trying to say Kinda hard to google for this (or I'm just not doing it right)

Like dumb example...lets say I wanted to provide something like Springloops (online project management) as SaaS. How many day to day users could a standard Amazon S2 configuration handle and how much traffic would it probably generate. I can't even ballpark this lol.
Standard config would cost 75$/month assuming no massive data movements if that can handle 10 users I'd have to charge 75$+...if it can handle 100 users it's 7.5$+ etc.

Edit: Guess I might sign up to that course either way, thanks for the link

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02-14-2012 , 05:44 PM
It totally depends on:

- How much data needs to be transfered
- How much processing needs do be done (CPU)

For 'normal' SAAS web apps you don't need to worry at all as long as you're not charging something like 50c a month, if you're charging anything reasonable the server cost should be a negliable cost imo.
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02-14-2012 , 06:34 PM
surely you just need to set up a test server/network and spend some time testing in order to draw reasonable conclusions on average data transfer / cpu usage?

there's tons of tools for this, see: http://sites.google.com/site/ahammad...nce-test-tools or you could just rig up something ghetto with a few linux boxes and curl or firefox imacros
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02-14-2012 , 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by clowntable
How many day to day users could a standard Amazon S2 configuration handle and how much traffic would it probably generate. I can't even ballpark this lol.

The following info is not exactly what you are asking for but could be a starting point.

(Quote from the first link: )
"an ECU is roughly equivalent to a PassMark-CPU Mark score of 400."

The last link shows what this 400 score means.


http://huanliu.wordpress.com/2010/06...-compute-unit/

http://blog.cloudharmony.com/2010/05...-in-cloud.html

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html


Last year I was comparing cloud hosting vs a "classic" dedicated server, since I needed it for something CPU intensive I went with the dedicated server so last year this kind of requirement would have been much more expensive in the cloud.
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02-15-2012 , 09:03 PM
I got a question, if I want to record an area on my screen time lapse style (1 frame per ~5-10 seconds) what's the best software to do this? We have a fully licenses copy of camtasia but idk if it can do that?
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