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09-10-2012 , 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Shoe Lace
There were no exponents or the opposite of exponents (I don't even know what this one does or is called but it's used all over... the number is floating below the bigger number).
Shoe,

Not trying to be dick, but did you not graduate from high school?
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09-10-2012 , 07:02 PM
Anyone else here using godaddy?
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09-10-2012 , 07:25 PM
godaddy not recommended imo
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09-10-2012 , 07:28 PM
Maybe not. But zero pct chance I switch now after this. There is no way I will reward anon/whoever did it by taking my business elsewhere.

Exception is if Godaddy doesn't learn from it and it happens again. In that case, they don't deserve continued business.
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09-10-2012 , 07:29 PM
nodaddy
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09-10-2012 , 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by gaming_mouse
Shoe,

Not trying to be dick, but did you not graduate from high school?
I did, but my math background in HS was pretty messed up.

In elementary school I was on a math olympiads team, really gung ho about math. Junior high was the same.

Something happened in 9th grade. It was a combination of losing interest in math and my teacher being horribad (a lot of students and parents complained about him, I vaguely remember like 5 out 25ish people passing). I think he got laid off the year after because he didn't return.

I ended up failing and then in 10th grade I re-took the course and did ok from what I remember. Then in 11-12th I didn't even take a real math course. It was some ****** math elective because I took an experimental (first year) general computer course that took 4 out of 8 periods.

Factor that in plus never applying or using any type of algebra for 10 years and you can see how it's quite possible to forget everything. I had no reason to ever expose myself to any math notation or the concept of doing anything past very basic math until I opened SICP.
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09-10-2012 , 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by sdturner02
Maybe not. But zero pct chance I switch now after this. There is no way I will reward anon/whoever did it by taking my business elsewhere.

Exception is if Godaddy doesn't learn from it and it happens again. In that case, they don't deserve continued business.
Link to reports of what happened? Please?
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09-10-2012 , 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Neil S
Link to reports of what happened? Please?
http://techcrunch.com/2012/09/10/god...ions-of-sites/
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09-10-2012 , 08:45 PM
Turns out that intro to programming class I signed up for is ONLY Liberty Basic and not Python, which I'm kind of disappointed about.

I've seen it mentioned before that either people sink or swim when first learning this stuff. They either get it or they don't.

So far it's been pretty easy, maybe because I took some codecademy stuff online. But is Liberty Basic really one of those languages where that "rule" applies?
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09-10-2012 , 11:37 PM
I though the SOPA thing was enough for people to quit on GoDaddy.

I use namecheap for registration and Arvixe as my host.

Speaking of which. I cannot find any information on how much it cost to use AWS. The only thing I read is that it gets really expensive really fast, so the apparent low price isn't all that its cracked up to be.

I'm thinking about just buying VPS from my host @ $40/month for 1G of RAM, 40G of disk space, 2 Cores.
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09-11-2012 , 06:07 AM
It probably should have been enough to quit and go elsewhere. But I work entirely on my own. And although I can't recall exactly what distracted me, something tells me there were probably more pressing issues.
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09-11-2012 , 08:16 AM
Yes clearly I should take part in a disorganized, ineffective boycott months after the fact that won't effect anything at all.
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09-11-2012 , 08:25 AM
Well, granted it's over, but the protest did force them to change their public stance on it.
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09-11-2012 , 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Neil S
Yes clearly I should take part in a disorganized, ineffective boycott months after the fact that won't effect anything at all.
haha
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09-11-2012 , 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by ThaHero
Turns out that intro to programming class I signed up for is ONLY Liberty Basic and not Python, which I'm kind of disappointed about.
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What's Wrong With Programming Today?

It's too complicated - Programming should be simple. Most programming software is like the cockpit of a jet plane, with a confusing collection of gizmos that almost nobody needs. Not Liberty BASIC! For nearly 20 years we've been working hard to make programming as simple and easy as possible so you can get a lot done with less work and more enjoyment!

It's too expensive - Programming software can cost hundreds or even thousands of dollars, but for the cost of a video game Liberty BASIC gives you everything you need to write software right away. Keep more of your hard-earned money!

It's not approachable - Most programming languages don't come with good documentation so you need to buy extra books to learn them. With Liberty BASIC's special tutorial you can be writing your first program in minutes. Also, our online community is one of the best and friendliest you'll ever meet, and has thousands of helpful members. You spend more time doing things you enjoy, not banging your head in frustration.
i would run far and fast from this.

Last edited by tyler_cracker; 09-11-2012 at 01:07 PM. Reason: i expected it to be a rebranding of some french programming language. now i think that would have been better.
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09-11-2012 , 01:35 PM
Anyone have any experience with Google Adwords for advertising?

I'm putting keywords in the ads, including a call to action, and am pretty well ranked on a few keywords. Why won't these bastards click?
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09-11-2012 , 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Neil S
Yes clearly I should take part in a disorganized, ineffective boycott months after the fact that won't effect anything at all.
Sarcasm aside, I didn't go with GoDaddy because they charge higher prices for the same service as anyone else offers. Unless there is some great VAS, I didn't see any justification for using them.
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09-11-2012 , 04:43 PM
Yup, that's a sensible reason to switch, saving money. I can't argue with that. I wouldn't want to.
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09-11-2012 , 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by sdturner02
Anyone have any experience with Google Adwords for advertising?

I'm putting keywords in the ads, including a call to action, and am pretty well ranked on a few keywords. Why won't these bastards click?
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/30...-amaa-1208283/

Please read the above thread, but I'll give you my takeaway and add a bit of extra information as well.

On a good ad campaign, he could reach 1 click per 1,000 impressions. To achieve this, he had data points on the following:

- What site is he advertising on
- Where is the ad located
- What color is the ad
- What shape and size is the ad
- What font color, size, type is used
- If there is a person, what way are they facing

With adwords, you have none of the above control over your ad, and most especially, the location of the ad (front page, page 171) and what site.

A bit of history, and I used to write articles for content farms for extra income. A few years back, Google decided they no longer wanted "content farms" to dominate the front page. If you recall a few years ago, the top of the search results would be places like ehow, and other content farms. Google introduced the Panda algorithm to put this trend to rest.

These content farms would hire any and all writers, provide you with an SEO tool, and tell you things about keyword density, paragraph length, etc, and would often times offer you a computerized "SEO score" before you published.

Google made a strong statement, as these companies did concentrate all of their money earning around using adwords (location) and pure brute force impressions, so they required tons of content to survive, and they did, and still do, survive quite well off of adwords. This would decrease not only the profitability of the content farms, but of Google and the adword system itself.

So, to bring the point of this home a bit: Can you describe to me, without looking to the left or right, one banner ad you have seen in the past week? I would bet good many you can't.

Now tell me: describe to me a TV commercial that you saw one decade ago?

Do you see what happened?

Forget about banner ads, summarize one adword or text ad you saw this week?

Summarize one article you read in the newspaper you read a few years ago?

What I'm trying to illustrate is that the web isn't there to gain your attention, and while advertising feels good, it isn't the same effectiveness and feel-good-for-the-consumer as traditional advertising.

Would you have ever used GoDaddy, or thought of GoDaddy, if you hadn't seen their ad on TV? Why? This is crazy when you think of it, isn't it? Shouldn't GoDaddy be remembered for online advertising?

So, yeah, someone will eventually click your adword ad. If I was to stick a number at the wall, I'd say you'll average one click per 100,000 impressions.
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09-11-2012 , 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by daveT
So, yeah, someone will eventually click your adword ad. If I was to stick a number at the wall, I'd say you'll average one click per 100,000 impressions.
Good post.

However, imo a decent Adwords ad on Search should be able to attain 2% CTR without much fuss. Serach ads can get way higher CTR than banners.

Now, getting a "decent" ad isn't so easy lol.

What keywords are you targeting? It should be one word / phrase*, "Exact match" per AdGroup. Unless you're just trying to get data fast for increased spend.

* I say word / phrase - I mean phrase. Advertising on a one-word keyword is almost certain to be way too competitive (read: expensive) to succeed. You really need to be in the top 3 on search pages to have much chance of being clicked.

Always be running multiple variations of title/text/url for the same keyword, A/B test, cut the bad variation make a new variant of the good one. CTR is the metric to judge an ad by.

You should be tracking every click. Prosper202 is easy and free.
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09-11-2012 , 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by sdturner02
Maybe not. But zero pct chance I switch now after this. There is no way I will reward anon/whoever did it by taking my business elsewhere.

Exception is if Godaddy doesn't learn from it and it happens again. In that case, they don't deserve continued business.
I hadn't even read of this latest mess before posting. There are many reasons to not ever use GoDaddy for anything, them being an occasional target for vigilante justice is not chief among them.

- They are expensive
- Their performance is very poor
- Their usability is horrendous, purposefully confusing
- They spam irrelevant upsells at every chance
- They make it unnecessarily hard to transfer/leave
- They will allegedly randomly enable/disable "auto-rebuy" for various services
- They are known to simply delete at the merest hint of a complaint, with little recourse
- They supported SOPA

No doubt more I am forgetting. They do have a handy "bulk check domaina availability" tool, which I will still use on occasion. Then buy elsewhere.
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09-11-2012 , 07:21 PM
+1 for namecheap. Moved everything there after the SOPA debacle.

Also, word on the street is, Bob Parsons is a douche.
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09-11-2012 , 07:48 PM
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Speaking of which. I cannot find any information on how much it cost to use AWS. The only thing I read is that it gets really expensive really fast, so the apparent low price isn't all that its cracked up to be.
750 hours of Amazon EC2 Linux Micro Instance usage (613 MB of memory and 32-bit and 64-bit platform support) – enough hours to run continuously each month is free to new users for 1 year. After that each micro instance is around $15 a month. I'm currently running a wordpress instance through jumpbox for free and also occasionally using other instances while learning the basics of DevOps through Paul Duvall's tutorial.
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09-11-2012 , 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by _dave_
Good post.

However, imo a decent Adwords ad on Search should be able to attain 2% CTR without much fuss. Serach ads can get way higher CTR than banners.

Now, getting a "decent" ad isn't so easy lol.

What keywords are you targeting? It should be one word / phrase*, "Exact match" per AdGroup. Unless you're just trying to get data fast for increased spend.

* I say word / phrase - I mean phrase. Advertising on a one-word keyword is almost certain to be way too competitive (read: expensive) to succeed. You really need to be in the top 3 on search pages to have much chance of being clicked.

Always be running multiple variations of title/text/url for the same keyword, A/B test, cut the bad variation make a new variant of the good one. CTR is the metric to judge an ad by.

You should be tracking every click. Prosper202 is easy and free.
I threw that number thinking of the ads that appear on xyz blog or content page. I should have thought of your variation as well.

But yeah if sales is ABC Always Be Closing marketing strat should be Always Be Crunching.
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