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05-27-2011 , 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by daveT
Job ad:

We need a superstar in [18 different web languages].

There is no pay, but we can offer free massages at our spas. It'll be a win-win for both of us!
If the ad says "superstar", you can just stop reading there.
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05-27-2011 , 10:27 AM
Or turn up looking like Phil Hellmuth
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05-27-2011 , 10:31 AM
The world needs more grand entrances.
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05-27-2011 , 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by TheIrishThug
If the ad says "superstar", you can just stop reading there.
And if it says rockstar, practice cutting to dull the pain, then stop reading.
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05-27-2011 , 03:58 PM
There's a billboard on highway 101 a little south of San Francisco advertising jobs for a game company named "RockYou", sounds like they built an entire company around the concept of recruiting SUPERSTARZZZ

EDIT: Haha, found it:

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05-27-2011 , 03:59 PM
I can't remember, was this posted here?

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05-27-2011 , 04:02 PM
lol, I've driven by that one a few times as well.

The RockYou one is just past the Zynga billboard which tilts the **** out of me, I don't give a **** about CityVille
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05-27-2011 , 06:18 PM
I want to do hurtful things to whoever is responsible for Xcode 4.

A. You try to force me to use the embedded editor, which isn't Vim, and therefore is worthless.

B. While forcing me to iTerm to run my own Vim windows, you also make the window very large and impossible to shrink down to Xcode 3's handy sidebar-style option that took up little screen space while giving me access to everything.

COPYING ITUNES IN AN IDE IS IDIOTIC PEOPLE. DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE
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05-28-2011 , 12:38 AM
I used Xcode 3 for 2 months and it was the most painful IDE I've ever used. Doesn't hold a flame to Visual Studio, Eclipse or Net Beans. Constantly fighting it on things that should have been simple.
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05-28-2011 , 01:58 AM
Xcode before version 4 was the only IDE I ever tried that didn't try to dictate the way you work, or try to force you to use every little piece of it. It didn't try to take over. Now it does.

It's become every other IDE: a hindrance, not a help.
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05-28-2011 , 09:31 AM
Can you expand on how IDEs dictate the way you work? It's possible I've been corrupted because I grew up using an IDE, but I don't feel like I have to do anything that's not natural.
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05-28-2011 , 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Neil S
Xcode before version 4 was the only IDE I ever tried that didn't try to dictate the way you work, or try to force you to use every little piece of it. It didn't try to take over. Now it does.

It's become every other IDE: a hindrance, not a help.
So you would rather program Java with a text editor than with Eclipse?

Or did I just set you up for a:

<Insert snarky comment about rather not program with Java at all>
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05-28-2011 , 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by gaming_mouse
So you would rather program Java with a text editor than with Eclipse?

Or did I just set you up for a:

<Insert snarky comment about rather not program with Java at all>
Second line is certainly true. Every time I've looked at Java I haven't been impressed. Now, it's true that I eventually stopped looking, and maybe things are much better now... but I'm getting by without.

Anyway, I'd rather be able to pick and choose what parts of an IDE I'd like to use, and which I'd rather not use. I'm going to use Xcode here as my example since it's the first IDE I've tolerated in years.

What does an IDE do, at core? It integrates different tools. It integrates your core text editor (that if you're like me you're going to spend more time in than everything else combined) with your build tool, your debugger, your profiler, your interface designer, your documentation, and even source control.

A *good* IDE isn't going to make you use any one particular flavor of any of those tools. The more poorly designed the IDE, the more you're wedded to one or another.

Xcode 4 just happened to take the one thing I use the most, the text editor, and *mandates* you use its flavor of that to be able to use any of the other integration. I have to have it bring up things in its text editor to make use of its build logs, and I have to bring up things it its text editor to make use of its debugger, etc, so Xcode 4 has no value to me. Its integration is counterproductive. Ideally I could just close the window... but you can't close its text editor window even! It's all one giant, poorly-designed clutter of an interface.

There are reasons this ruins it for me. I like to have many editor windows open. At times I like to have several docs windows open.

So Xcode has been reduced to me to being a way of generating Xcodebuild configurations, and a way of uploading iPhone and iPad test builds onto the hardware. I can use nothing else it does without having its single text editor window shoved in my face, with its editor that isn't the mature, sophisticated one I use for everything else.

So, I blew a lot of my spare development time last week not actually making progress, but rather figuring out how to get by without loading Xcode. I've done that now fortunately. For iOS dev I've even gotten an xcodebuild + Makefile process going to run things in the simulator. I now only need to load Xcode when I make changes to the build, because xcode projects are not really written for human readability. [insert rant against XML]

Integration is great when you want to use every single tool that's integrated together. But just like some people wanted to use MS Windows without MS Internet Explorer, so too do I want to use some of the Xcode tools without its text editor.
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05-29-2011 , 10:50 AM
I'm not surprised that Xcode is restrictive in how you can use it. That is Apple's main mode of operations. They restrict lots of your capabilities because it allows them to make a more consistent product, ensuring some level of operations. Providing lots of knobs and switches means there are lots of corner cases to worry about.

Eclipse on the other hand, is very plugin friendly. There are plugins for SVN, Git, Mercurial, etc. There is a plugins that make the editor more like VIM or Emacs. There is also support for building with Make, Ant and Maven. Obviously Eclipse is Java-centric, but there are plugins to support C, Python, etc.
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05-29-2011 , 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by TheIrishThug
I'm not surprised that Xcode is restrictive in how you can use it. That is Apple's main mode of operations. They restrict lots of your capabilities because it allows them to make a more consistent product, ensuring some level of operations. Providing lots of knobs and switches means there are lots of corner cases to worry about.
LOL. It's the first upgrade to the UI in years and doesn't match one devs non-standard work flow, let's not turn this into Man's Inhumanity to Man.
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05-29-2011 , 04:46 PM
Yeah, I'm trying start anything, just making a generalization about Apple and pointing out that some IDEs are flexible.
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05-29-2011 , 05:46 PM
Basically, Xcode 4 has been rewritten into one of those cheap little toolboxes from Sears, where everything works together but not everything necessarily works well.

PS: If Eclipse is "plugin friendly" then that suggests you HAVE to have a plugin written, which suggests it's the same way, only with plugins. So Eclipse can stick it, too.

And yes, I'll just ignore all the Apple trolling.
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05-29-2011 , 05:48 PM
Anyway, the shell is the once and future IDE of IDEs.
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05-29-2011 , 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by kerowo
LOL. It's the first upgrade to the UI in years and doesn't match one devs non-standard work flow, let's not turn this into Man's Inhumanity to Man.
All devs that haven't spent their lives working in a single environment have a "non-standard" workflow, ime. No two developers work the exact same way, and have put together their own combination of tools and procedures that works best for them. I have a terrible time trying to find tools that work for me, and even a tiny change to my workflow throws me right out of whack and kills my productivity. I hate trying to fight my environment to get things done, and I find the bigger an IDE, the harder the fight.
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05-29-2011 , 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Zurvan
All devs that haven't spent their lives working in a single environment have a "non-standard" workflow, ime. No two developers work the exact same way, and have put together their own combination of tools and procedures that works best for them. I have a terrible time trying to find tools that work for me, and even a tiny change to my workflow throws me right out of whack and kills my productivity. I hate trying to fight my environment to get things done, and I find the bigger an IDE, the harder the fight.
Hear hear. Spent a week getting back on track. Now it's back to being neck deep in math. Ah this is such a fun change of pace from PHP garbage.
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05-29-2011 , 10:11 PM
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PS: If Eclipse is "plugin friendly" then that suggests you HAVE to have a plugin written, which suggests it's the same way, only with plugins. So Eclipse can stick it, too.
What you're asking for doesn't exist. I mean, you want an IDE without plugins but you somehow want it to be custom tailored to you without plugins? That's the point of a plugin. You plugin the functionality you want.
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05-29-2011 , 11:06 PM
I's so pissed off at my computers right now! posting from a Linux live CD that I just got working on an anciant Athlon 1800+ with 512md ram lol. old pos but turns out it's my best computer right now it's managing to make a 1280x1024 display sat in the middlle of one of my moitors with tiny text and big black borders all around which doesn't help my mood.

I normally have two computers, a linux one on the left and a winxp on the right. linux is for most things. winxp is for poker, autohotkey, and not much else.

two days ago the linux box started crashing, still no idea why, already replaced everything bar the psu - but that psu is powering this old rig now with no bother . before spending hors pissing about with a screwdriver and component swapping, decided it was probably the s***ty old hardware - P4 northwood, DDR1 ram etc so I'll just replace it. fired up the poker computer that doesn't surf dodgy sites (or virtually any sites) firefox upgraded automatically to 4.x when I started it, went to a reputable vendor website to check out hardware prices and boom, within 2 minutes I've got mfking "XP Anti Virus 2011" malware popping up it's fake alerts and screwing my poker computer, dammit. kicking myself for not installing noscript on the "computer that never surfs the net" doh! I presume it's a JS exploit it gets in by anyhow, don't really know yet. but now that machine is out of actioin too while I try and figure out what to do I'm thinking I'm never having a windoes ever again as a base OS, so probably another linux with virualbox ro play poker in, but think might be too slow? (Athlon 64 X2 6000+, 3GHz, 2gb ddr2 ram, so quite old but not ancient like the P4) and there's no directX in virtualbox so no aero, but maybe I'll try win7 on it anyway.

I hate computers! prob better in cth but I don't post there much and it's really just a rant lol
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05-30-2011 , 02:24 AM
AAAAAAH.

I've been going nuts all day wondering why my touch hit testing wasn't working. Turns out I'd been translating everything on the Z axis by unity. Remove that and the formula I had hours ago to convert from screen coordinates to OpenGL coordinates works fine.

Well at least it's a 3 day weekend.
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05-30-2011 , 05:58 AM
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Originally Posted by _dave_
within 2 minutes I've got mfking "XP Anti Virus 2011" malware popping up it's fake alerts and screwing my poker computer, dammit. kicking myself for not installing noscript on the "computer that never surfs the net" doh! I presume it's a JS exploit it gets in by anyhow, don't really know yet. but now that machine is out of actioin too while I try and figure out what to do
See if you can install and run Malwarebytes - it got rid of something similar that hit me recently (I had to execute the installer and run it via the command line though the nasty managed to hook one of the windows "execute" APIs and cloned itself for each app you ran - luckily this wasn't the case for command line execution for some reason).

Hope you get it sorted

Juk
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05-30-2011 , 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by _dave_
I'm thinking I'm never having a windoes ever again as a base OS, so probably another linux with virualbox ro play poker in, but think might be too slow? (Athlon 64 X2 6000+, 3GHz, 2gb ddr2 ram, so quite old but not ancient like the P4) and there's no directX in virtualbox so no aero, but maybe I'll try win7 on it anyway.

I hate computers! prob better in cth but I don't post there much and it's really just a rant lol
vmware performance is excellent (more RAM would help). Plus revert to snapshot takes all the sport out of fighting malware.
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