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08-21-2012 , 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWooster
Amazon have just launched their new service - Amazon Glacier. Providing very cheap storage (0.01$ per GB per month), but data retrieval can take 3-4 hours. Pretty awesome for a backup solution imo.

http://aws.amazon.com/glacier/
wow this is remarkable
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08-21-2012 , 07:15 PM
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In the coming months, Amazon Simple Storage Service (Amazon S3) plans to introduce an option that will allow you to seamlessly move data between Amazon S3 and Amazon Glacier using data lifecycle policies.
Pretty cool. This seems like something that will make it significantly better though.

AWS seems to be really good at constant incremental releases. Sometimes its annoying when they don't have some feature that you'd think would be common sense - but they're just constantly releasing **** and usually fill in those gaps relatively quickly.
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08-21-2012 , 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWooster
Amazon have just launched their new service - Amazon Glacier. Providing very cheap storage (0.01$ per GB per month), but data retrieval can take 3-4 hours. Pretty awesome for a backup solution imo.

http://aws.amazon.com/glacier/
whoa, thats crazy. i'll def be looking into this for backup solution. how do they make money with prices this cheap?

Last edited by greg nice; 08-21-2012 at 07:45 PM.
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08-21-2012 , 08:03 PM
It could be a loss leader and just part of their strategy in offering a one-stop shopping place for all of your infrastructure needs.
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08-21-2012 , 08:25 PM
It makes me really sad to see these prices because they are probably really close to what they pay for the bandwidth costs yet we have to pay a billion times more to our ISP and most other providers.

Seems really good for backing up data that you don't plan to access much.
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08-21-2012 , 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Shoe Lace
Seems really good for backing up data that you don't plan to access much.
yup. Have to research it a bit, but I think this is going to make a very cost effective method of having an offsite backup of music/family photos/docs etc.
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08-21-2012 , 08:46 PM
Some calculations on cost of retrieving your data here:

http://n.exts.ch/2012/08/aws_glacier_for_photo_backups
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08-21-2012 , 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Neko
yup. Have to research it a bit, but I think this is going to make a very cost effective method of having an offsite backup of music/family photos/docs etc.
GMail already offers this for free. Unlimited space (multiple accounts), unlimited transfers and no multi-hour restriction.

I think that's also partly why Amazon can't gouge the prices. GMail in most cases is a superior product in every way when you're looking to just dump some files into a location for backup purposes.

It's weird. It might only cost $1/month at Amazon, but free is much more attractive than $1/month.

I would only consider Amazon if my service was really popular and encrypting the files on my end (before sending them to GMail) was costing me more in CPU cycles than just paying Amazon to deal with it.
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08-21-2012 , 08:55 PM
Speaking of AWS, Amazon started charging me 5 months ago for an AWS account that hadn't had data in it since 2010... Bastards!
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08-21-2012 , 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Shoe Lace
GMail already offers this for free. Unlimited space (multiple accounts), unlimited transfers and no multi-hour restriction.

I think that's also partly why Amazon can't gouge the prices. GMail in most cases is a superior product in every way when you're looking to just dump some files into a location for backup purposes.

It's weird. It might only cost $1/month at Amazon, but free is much more attractive than $1/month.

I would only consider Amazon if my service was really popular and encrypting the files on my end (before sending them to GMail) was costing me more in CPU cycles than just paying Amazon to deal with it.
Doesn't gmail have a 10G limit: http://support.google.com/mail/bin/a...en&answer=6558

So it wouldn't be much help for backing up video/music libraries. Where did you get the unlimited space for free thing? Am I missing something?
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08-21-2012 , 09:23 PM
He said use multiple accounts to get unlimited space.
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08-21-2012 , 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Shoe Lace
GMail already offers this for free. Unlimited space (multiple accounts), unlimited transfers and no multi-hour restriction.

I think that's also partly why Amazon can't gouge the prices. GMail in most cases is a superior product in every way when you're looking to just dump some files into a location for backup purposes.

It's weird. It might only cost $1/month at Amazon, but free is much more attractive than $1/month.

I would only consider Amazon if my service was really popular and encrypting the files on my end (before sending them to GMail) was costing me more in CPU cycles than just paying Amazon to deal with it.
Isn't that kind of a pain though? I am closing in on a TB of data so I would need ~100 accounts.
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08-21-2012 , 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Neko
Isn't that kind of a pain though? I am closing in on a TB of data so I would need ~100 accounts.
Well yeah. You'd have to write a filesystem, basically. And then you run the risk of Google shutting you down.
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08-21-2012 , 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Neil S
He said use multiple accounts to get unlimited space.
that sounds about as good of an idea as writing your js library to replace jquery
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08-21-2012 , 10:43 PM
lol
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08-21-2012 , 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by gaming_mouse
that sounds about as good of an idea as writing your js library to replace jquery
Not everyone has a TB+ of data. Show me the clause in their policy that says they are going to shut you down for having too many accounts open.

Also show me a better solution that's free that offers unlimited space/transfers/no real restrictions on one of the most stable internet corporations available.

Right, you can't. Just like the jquery thing, guess what. I'm going to continue to leverage solutions that actually work. Do whatever you want, go pay Amazon. I really don't care.
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08-21-2012 , 10:47 PM
If you're doing it for yourself, knock yourself out. If you're selling this solution to a client you're getting into a pretty dark shade of gray promoting that as a viable business solution.
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08-21-2012 , 11:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Shoe Lace
Right, you can't. Just like the jquery thing, guess what. I'm going to continue to leverage solutions that actually work. Do whatever you want, go pay Amazon. I really don't care.
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08-22-2012 , 12:44 AM
Just an FYI re: amazon glacier: http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2012/08/glacier/

I only skimmed the article because I don't see myself using this, but it seems that their pricing model is quite legitimately ambiguous, which is worrisome.
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08-22-2012 , 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by kerowo
If you're doing it for yourself, knock yourself out. If you're selling this solution to a client you're getting into a pretty dark shade of gray promoting that as a viable business solution.
I mean, obviously this. Except if you're selling the solution to a client it's completely against their Terms of Service.

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Originally Posted by Shoe Lace
Not everyone has a TB+ of data. Show me the clause in their policy that says they are going to shut you down for having too many accounts open.
There's lots of ways they could shut you down. First and foremost because you're not paying for the service they can do whatever they want.

And of course you still have headaches like logging in on each account something like once a year to make sure they don't close it down. You have the headache of manually creating gmail accounts (or again explicitly violating their terms of service). Etc. Etc. Etc.

For someone that bills out at something like $150/hour this seems like a gigantic waste of your time.
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08-22-2012 , 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by jjshabado
I mean, obviously this. Except if you're selling the solution to a client it's completely against their Terms of Service.

There's lots of ways they could shut you down. First and foremost because you're not paying for the service they can do whatever they want.

And of course you still have headaches like logging in on each account something like once a year to make sure they don't close it down. You have the headache of manually creating gmail accounts (or again explicitly violating their terms of service). Etc. Etc. Etc.

For someone that bills out at something like $150/hour this seems like a gigantic waste of your time.
I wouldn't sell the service to a client directly as a backup solution.

There's also nothing wrong with backing up a site to gmail. If most of the data is just text, it's very small and painless and 10gb is way way way more than enough to keep track of hundreds of thousands of text-based documents.

Your paid service could get shut down anytime too. Most companies will straight up tell you that they have the right to deny you service whenever they want for no reason. Paying for something doesn't make you immune to being shutdown.
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08-22-2012 , 10:38 AM
Lol wat? You really don't see any difference in data security or integrity between a free service and a paid service? And your clients totally understand that their data is being stored in a gmail account as a backup?
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08-22-2012 , 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Shoe Lace
There's also nothing wrong with backing up a site to gmail. If most of the data is just text, it's very small and painless and 10gb is way way way more than enough to keep track of hundreds of thousands of text-based documents.
So is dropbox, Google Drive, or any of the other free storage solutions out there.

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Originally Posted by Shoe Lace
Your paid service could get shut down anytime too. Most companies will straight up tell you that they have the right to deny you service whenever they want for no reason. Paying for something doesn't make you immune to being shutdown.
Paying for something gives you a lot more rights legally.
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08-22-2012 , 11:02 AM
Your integrity argument is bs. If gmail was garbage then no one would use it and it would be a really big hit to Google's credibility. It's not like you're mailing it off unencrypted to some low rate free e-mail account company who has 3 employees and 8 accounts hosted in some guy's garage on dialup.

Here's some facts:
1. gmail is easily one of the best and more reliable email apps out there.
2. If anyone knows about data integrity and how to manage large amounts of data it's Google.

I don't specifically tell them that, but I also wouldn't specifically point them to amazon's service either. I would just tell them their data is being routinely backed up. Amazon's service isn't exactly cheap either when you need to access your data fast to recover from something bad happening.

Did you guys forget about Amazon's outage? A bunch of paying customers had no service. I never once couldn't access gmail.
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08-22-2012 , 11:19 AM
Wait, so why is gmail better than google drive for your trivially small amounts of data?

Also, didn't this come up when talking about: "backup of music/family photos/docs etc."? Do you live in 1997 and just have tiny music and photo files?

Edit: Basically: Shoe you're full of **** and no one believe you're actually backing up your music/family photos/docs in gmail.

Edit2: Shoe, how much data do you have backed up in Gmail?
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