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Old Yesterday, 09:42 PM   #38251
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Re: ** UnhandledExceptionEventHandler :: OFFICIAL LC / CHATTER THREAD **

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@candybar - your points are worth considering. Certainly worth more than a just go **** off response.
candybar is one of the most annoying posters on this site to get into a disagreement with. Anyone who does so needs to prepare for a bunch of psychoanalysis and total strawmen. "go **** off" isn't a terrible choice compared to diving into all that, tbh. Like:

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jmakin, I don't know how much of your drama is real and how much is fictional but, assuming it's real, your behavior comes across as more toxic than anything I've ever seen in tech
lmao, what an introduction. Just a nice guy trying to help out!
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Old Yesterday, 09:43 PM   #38252
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One example from a past company I worked with. Every week they’d have a meeting where you spent the first 5 minutes writing down everything good or bad that happened that week. Then the team would look at those things and pick 3 to talk about. Each item then had 15ish minutes to talk about with the goal to be concrete action items assigned to someone to do.
We did this at the last place I was at but every retro was unique, we never managed to follow up on the 3 top issues from the previous sprint.
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Old Yesterday, 09:55 PM   #38253
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We did this at the last place I was at but every retro was unique, we never managed to follow up on the 3 top issues from the previous sprint.


Yeah, the thing that made it very successful is that everything coming out had to be concrete action items assigned to a person. And then those were accounted for in planning so the assigned person actually had time to do the tasks.

But it takes real commitment to improvement and realizing that it’s work to make things better. There’s no magic meeting or process that’s going to solve the real problems.
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Old Yesterday, 10:03 PM   #38254
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I have met candybar and jmakin in real life and both come off as very cool people. I'm sure they'd get along fine if they met. Internetting is dumb.
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Old Yesterday, 11:22 PM   #38255
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Re: ** UnhandledExceptionEventHandler :: OFFICIAL LC / CHATTER THREAD **

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candybar is one of the most annoying posters on this site to get into a disagreement with. Anyone who does so needs to prepare for a bunch of psychoanalysis and total strawmen. "go **** off" isn't a terrible choice compared to diving into all that, tbh. Like:

lmao, what an introduction. Just a nice guy trying to help out!
You, sir, on the other hand are a gentleman and a scholar, and I salute you for being a model internet forum poster who handles disagreements with such class and restraint.
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Old Today, 12:18 AM   #38256
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I have met candybar and jmakin in real life and both come off as very cool people. I'm sure they'd get along fine if they met. Internetting is dumb.
I don't think being a "very cool person" (which I'm not but thank you suzzer for your kind words!) precludes you from having patterns of behavior that are highly detrimental to effective workplace collaboration (in other words, toxic). In fact, looking merely several years back, my behavior in certain workplace situations to certain people at the time was something that I'd now characterize as toxic. I didn't know any better and no one was around to call me out on it. In real life, it's possible but can be difficult to get feedback on behavioral patterns that aren't clear cut, especially from people that you have some level of authority over or respect of. Even with all this "feedback is a gift" corporate meme making rounds, it's difficult because everyone knows negative feedback may be received poorly.
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Re: ** UnhandledExceptionEventHandler :: OFFICIAL LC / CHATTER THREAD **

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One example from a past company I worked with. Every week they’d have a meeting where you spent the first 5 minutes writing down everything good or bad that happened that week. Then the team would look at those things and pick 3 to talk about. Each item then had 15ish minutes to talk about with the goal to be concrete action items assigned to someone to do.

So, for example, there’s nothing inherently bad about checking in code to master that isn’t reviewed. But as we all know it’s almost certainly going to lead to problems. At a certain point one of those problems is going to be talked about in this meeting (probably sooner rather than later). And then you can hear why people are doing it and what they’re going to do instead. Maybe people are doing it because getting reviewers takes way too long. Or the build process is shorty. Or whatever. But it’s really rare that they’re doing it to be an *******.

A process like this tries to fix the deeper issues and build consensus on what types of processes and practices the team actually finds useful.


Edit: As an aside, you don’t need to make a meeting like this mandatory. It can quickly become a “decisions are made by those who show up” situation and people are strongly incentivized to show up and make sure their opinions are heard.
+100. We do this at our company and it helps a lot. This is how you get processes changed/improved on.
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Old Today, 06:39 AM   #38258
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Re: ** UnhandledExceptionEventHandler :: OFFICIAL LC / CHATTER THREAD **

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You, sir, on the other hand are a gentleman and a scholar, and I salute you for being a model internet forum poster who handles disagreements with such class and restraint.
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In fact, looking merely several years back, my behavior in certain workplace situations to certain people at the time was something that I'd now characterize as toxic.
Maybe someday you'll be able to look back on the last page and see what a dick you're being to jmakin, even if you're earnestly attempting to be helpful.
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Old Today, 07:29 AM   #38259
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The conversation more felt that he was worried I was projecting my insecurity outward and I needed to reign it in. But yea that too.
Gotta fake it until you jmake it. :-)
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Old Today, 09:20 AM   #38260
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Goofy, you should try being nicer if you don't have anything to say besides "let's be nice."
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Old Today, 11:31 AM   #38261
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Re: ** UnhandledExceptionEventHandler :: OFFICIAL LC / CHATTER THREAD **

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Goofy, you should try being nicer if you don't have anything to say besides "let's be nice."
goofy is nice and in order to qualify as that he doesn't have to roll over if someone is being not-nice to someone else.
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Old Today, 12:52 PM   #38262
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Lol, no kidding.
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