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04-06-2019 , 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by KatoKrazy
As a full time employee or a contractor?

If FTE with good government bennies then that's not bad, but if contractor hell no.
Contract to hire. They did the same deal with me as an "architect" for $85/hr.
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04-06-2019 , 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by jmakin
Ive been working for a year.


I’d say you are compensated fairly but should be in line for a promotion and 15-20 percent raise in the next few months or I would start looking elsewhere.
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04-06-2019 , 07:00 PM
My first two salaries were...
- $80k, in 2007, straight out of college at an enterprise software company
- $70k (plus overtime), in 2008, at a gaming company with a year of (mostly irrelevant, for that industry) experience

That's in the Bay Area, but also housing prices then were like half what they are now, so idk. $90k feels low for 2019 but I'm very far removed from starting dev salaries now. /oldman
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04-06-2019 , 07:11 PM
My first "tech" job was fixing computers and networks - $20k/year - living in SF in 1998. Giant pay cut from waiting tables and I lost all my friends because waiters work all weekend and party on Sunday and Monday nights.

After 6 months I got a whopping raise to $22k. I was told I'd get a $10k raise if I got Novell or MSFT certified. Ugh. I studied like hell for the first MCSE test and still flunked it.

The boss was not pleased when I bolted for a job where I could learn SAS programming while maintaining a network of macs (which are 1/20th the effort of PCs) - $35k. It went up to $48k in the 1.5 years I was there.

Not sure how I was making it in SF on $20k, but $500/month rent due to rent control helped. I remember at one point just thinking if I made $50k I'd never need any more money. Funny how that never works.
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04-06-2019 , 08:07 PM
I dunno I just bought my first mutual fund yesterday and this is the first year I'll max 401k =/
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04-07-2019 , 12:10 AM
Any good recomendations of technology/tutorials to implement a little multiplayer board game (2 players to start) with Vue.js

I have some Vue.js knowledge but not really with the backend side for a simple app like like this.

Im thinking free azure if even needed.

What you guys think is the simplest/best to learn?
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04-07-2019 , 02:57 AM
Grue might have some experience in the online board game area (but probably not with Vue.js)
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04-07-2019 , 10:33 AM
I'm not a vue guy but that doesn't matter, gist of how my game works is using socket.io's room feature (sub/pub to a namespace) to diff all chats and game changes along with a function that deletes private information before every emit.
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04-08-2019 , 07:06 PM
Can someone give me a example of a super simple enzyme test that works? I've been on a half dozen tutorial sites and am completely lost. Our react guy is swamped and doesn't seem to know much about enzyme anyway.

I keep assuming enzyme works like protractor did in angular - but maybe I'm completely off.

Ideally I need it to be able to fill in form fields, submit forms, click toggles, etc. - basically everything a user can do - to simulate a multi-step registration process. But for now I just need something that does hello world.

We're not using redux or any kind of form HOCs. My fear is we need to completely redesign our components if we want real click-testing.
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04-08-2019 , 07:20 PM
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04-08-2019 , 07:42 PM
Enzyme shallow dot find selector dot simulate click, assert that the component's state has changed is the standard way of doing it.

Pro phone coding.
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04-09-2019 , 03:05 PM
Isn't protractor for running tests in a browser? Enzyme is for unit testing react components which is a bit different thing.
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04-09-2019 , 03:11 PM
Is there a react version of protractor?
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04-09-2019 , 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
Is there a react version of protractor?
I think there's nothing that's "built in" (React ecosystem is less opinionated than Angular about what to use in a project). We have a setup, which is working quite ok, but some of the libraries are not maintained anymore and we plan to switch them out. So can't really recommend our setup.

There seem to be people using protractor with React, but not sure how good of a solution this is. Maybe check out https://www.cypress.io/ or http://nightwatchjs.org or https://codecept.io/ for a start.
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04-11-2019 , 04:28 PM
Coding is for everyone - as long as you speak English

Interesting article about the odd fact that no widely used programming languages support coding with keywords in any other language than English.

It doesn't talk about the tradeoffs, though - obviously, no non-Mandarin speaker is capable of looking at source code written in Chinese Python and understanding what's going on. There's a communications benefit to having a lingua franca in source code, but it does raise the barrier to entry quite significantly.
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04-11-2019 , 04:32 PM
I dunno ive been reviewing some French written code lately and it’s pretty unreadable to me
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04-11-2019 , 04:33 PM
At a previous job we had an anti-Canadian coding standard that words like "behavior" needed American spelling (as opposed to "behaviour"). It was not always followed. Those Canucks were rebellious mother****ers.
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04-11-2019 , 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
Coding is for everyone - as long as you speak English

Interesting article about the odd fact that no widely used programming languages support coding with keywords in any other language than English.

It doesn't talk about the tradeoffs, though - obviously, no non-Mandarin speaker is capable of looking at source code written in Chinese Python and understanding what's going on. There's a communications benefit to having a lingua franca in source code, but it does raise the barrier to entry quite significantly.
It's interesting that languages which have sprung up from outside the US are still English based, like Ruby (from Japan).
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04-11-2019 , 06:38 PM
Programming keywords/lexemes dont need to translate 1:1 to english though. Other than “true” and “false” (which are just non-zero and zero) like is it really necessary to know english to know what “char” is? When I read it i dont see “character” i see “this is a 1 byte variable/pointer/etc”

I guess some of the more verbose libraries like from java, written in english could be really hard to use if you didnt know english. But there absolutely has to be some mod or addon that can make this easier.
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04-12-2019 , 12:46 AM
Have to do a phone interview for an intern tomorrow! What should I ask?!

This is for a master's student so I might just treat this like a regular phone interview.
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04-12-2019 , 12:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Barrin6
Have to do a phone interview for an intern tomorrow! What should I ask?!

This is for a master's student so I might just treat this like a regular phone interview.
Do you have more than one prospective intern applying? If no, then, it literally doesn't matter?

If yes, I hope you have a project in mind for them. If you do, ask questions that would distinguish someone ready to attack the project or who might benefit from it.

I will say, I did 2 internships as an undergrad, and they taught me where I *didn't* want to work.
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04-12-2019 , 02:05 AM
It's not for my team. We are a big company so I am helping out to interview. Not sure which team they will be on.
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04-12-2019 , 10:25 AM
What are they actually going to be doing?
Ask questions to see if they can do those things.
Ask questions to see if they are jerks no one wants to work with.
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04-12-2019 , 11:28 AM
Bubble sort bubble sort bubble sort
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04-12-2019 , 12:59 PM
what are some of the jerk questions?
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