My sister got a phd and then promptly quit her job 3 years later to be a housewife 15 years ago so I'd say that way.

You're remembering old arguments in other forums, I got nothing but respect for your changing careers and am just trying to help.

Before you decide you don't want to be a developer you should be a developer for a little while at a place that only looks at as a developer. If you want to project lead/scrum lead get some books and learn how to do it right, there is enough work in those positions that you'll rarely see them mixed.

Definitely agree with this. I did an early job for the Government and I thought programming sucked and wasn’t sure I wanted to do it. Luckily I got a really good job after school that changed my mind completely.

in what?

That was a hypothetical ("even if it wasn't") - I've been doing consulting and I have worked at a bunch of places. This means constant exposure to casual dress code, since just about every tech company and lots of non-tech companies do casual these days. Like engineers at Goldman Sachs wear jeans and t-shirts. But I don't understand how something everyone in tech is familiar with is something you thought I was bragging about. Or am I misunderstanding what you're saying here? This is also not the first time you mentioned this but my reputation here is probably worse than my reputation anywhere else. At this point, I'm mostly here to help people like jmakin Larry and blackize and other guys who are starting out late because I can empathize with their struggles and I'm fascinated by their success. Even my company chat is both more entertaining and insightful for myself.

I don't understand - even if all of my knowledge about casual dress code environments is from visiting other companies, that's not second hand knowledge. You can see with your own eyes how people are dressed as a visitor, I swear they don't put blindfolds on visitors at tech companies. I also don't understand how describing in boring detail something that almost everyone is familiar with is talking down to people. Like do they give out trophies to people who work in jeans? It's not even unique to tech - the pattern I'm describing more or less accurately describes most colleges and nearly all white collar environments. With that said, if you've worked at a company where most people show up in sweatpants, please share your story, I'm interested.

I mean, in some sense we are all limited by our experience and there could even be a company where "software engineers" primarily do project management and "technical project managers" are software developers. Anything and everything is possible in some universe but it's weird to use something like "you haven't been in every possible situation ever, so you're just generalizing from your limited experience" as an argument - that's all anyone is ever doing.

The conclusion of my argument (something doesn't add up and jmakin is not being a reliable narrator about his job situation) has been proven true already. I didn't know which details were off then - my entire point is that some of those are so unlikely - everyone showing up in sweatpants, then everyone switching to business casual because of a new part-time entry-level hire, on top of the weird project management stuff, which makes more sense now - that it was hard for me to follow at all what was going on. I mean even fiction needs to believable. My initial guess, btw, was that some people were awkwardly dressed due to unusual weather patterns when he started and switched back to how they are normally dressed a couple of weeks after they started and jmakin both overestimated his influence and exaggerated for a better story.

This isn't at all analogous but again that's not the point.

statistics

Ya'll need to chill out and be cool with each other. No need to dog pile on anyone.

Remember.. this is the internet and tone is hard to read on a computer screen. Or maybe iPhone screen if you are in the 1%.

Fwiw, I think everyone including candybar have good intentions when giving advice.

+1

Wow, that's a tough one to explain. Perhaps she got tired of looking at data and math for so many years? Instead of quitting, why not take a month off vacation while in between jobs?

Thanks but I think I'm mostly done here either way. I'm already absurdly busy as it is and this little episode seems like my cue to go.

He failed due to his external examiner's feedback, given at his viva.

At a party years ago, my friend remarked that failing his PhD had caused him to become a multi-millionaire.

I passed mine, and I'm not a multi-millionaire. Expert decision making on my part!

I never went past bachelors and I'm not a single millionaire. I feel ok with my decision making.

dont think d10 had good intentions with his post at all. hes been gunning for candybar for like 3 years now lol.

Those aren't mutually exclusive

TIL the dot-com boom was in the mid-80s

But in the current boom it is 100% de regeur to hire a hoody wearing Stanford dropout if you want that sweet VC money

You present your stuff, they say it's not good enough. That's not the end, you can amend and try again

Not having a job is pretty great and I think a lot of people would do it if given the chance. Women with kids at home are one of the few groups that regularly get this chance. When we had a son, my wife took a few months of leave from her job to stay home with him, and to my surprise, decided she'd like to stay home. She had just finished her masters degree, was considering a PhD and had a job that she enjoyed. It just didn't seem important to her compared to the alternative.

We did the math and decided we could get by just fine without her working, so we did. The boy is 12 now and she still doesn't work, but also I make a lot more than I did then. If she wants to go back to work that's OK with me, but also if she doesn't then that's also fine.

Cant say about salaries just when company gets bought but I would look more into why the company bought another and many times the details are given. I wouldn't be too worried about just salary. when company buys another (especially big companies) they have it all thought out and many times clearly published.

Do you know why they bought your company?

know-how, market share ..etc. it all tells you if u even have a future there. hopefully things are fine but u never know. Just to be clear this is about acquired companies

It's about opportunity cost. If I had a wife and she were making <$50k (which is what, $30k cash after combined taxes?), I'd support her decision to stay home. But flushing down a million dollar asset (degree that can earn a good six figure salary) after spending years and a $100k to earn it is a different story.

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So my 3rd web application project has taught me the following:

implementing backend with PHP: 30 seconds to set up, 8 hours to debug

implementing backend with java servlets: 8 hours to set up, 30 seconds to write/debug

I literally just copy pasted my PHP code and translated it into java, poof, worked first try. Session tracking and everything.

Sort of. If my wife made 50k we'd be legit wealthy because it would be 100% extra. We could have twice the house, or retire much much earlier. But whatever, it's fine, we have enough.

That’s the secret to me. Too many people end up working way too long or way too hard because they don’t think about what’s enough. It’s easy to blow money at almost any income level.

It’s kind of mind boggling to me how much we accept the amount of time most people spend working in their lives.

That's because for some people, work defines who you are!

One of the big problems with how the capitalist system is set up is that all the managers are work-obsessed, Type A personality types who then demand and reward the same behaviour in others, even when it's unnecessary.

As a manager, I don't think this is true.

I think for jobs in high demand (like software development) you can find a lot of opportunities where you have management that doesn't act like this.

while I've had plenty of bad to mediocre managers, I have never had one that is a "there when you get in and there when you leave" type person.

i'm a type A tryhard but well aware of it and don't try to inflict that on other people if i can avoid it