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Old Today, 02:09 AM   #32951
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Re: ** UnhandledExceptionEventHandler :: OFFICIAL LC / CHATTER THREAD **

We both have the same title if it matters.
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Old Today, 02:20 AM   #32952
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Re: ** UnhandledExceptionEventHandler :: OFFICIAL LC / CHATTER THREAD **

I think I'm actually going to do nothing.

Not even author the PR because I don't want him targeting me or anything if he feels slighted by it.

I don't need any keeping it real to go wrong.
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Old Today, 02:35 AM   #32953
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officially employed as a software engineer

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Lol so this was just a complete fabrication then if your offer came with a different title?

Your petulant attitude toward candybar is getting ridiculous. He's just trying to get you to question your perspective. And frankly he's not even being a dick about it.

But I'll be more blunt. You're completely delusional. Insisting you're an engineer when you have another title and are given only PM tasks. Claiming to have a solid understanding of the code base after like a week. Oops "from a user perspective". So you understand what your company's software does now. Lol. I say this to illustrate that you clearly don't understand the situation you're in.

The job market is good. If you want to be a PM or a dev you have tons of options. Your company is not setting you up for success in either role. Afaict your only selection criteria in taking this job was that they were willing to hire you. You should seriously consider looking for another gig ASAP.
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your title is actually kinda important...
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We both have the same title if it matters.
that comment was actually directed at jmakin.
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Old Today, 02:37 AM   #32955
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I think I'm actually going to do nothing.

Not even author the PR because I don't want him targeting me or anything if he feels slighted by it.

I don't need any keeping it real to go wrong.
Probably a good call. Some devs take it VERY personally if you make a PR against theirs.
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Old Today, 07:39 AM   #32956
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Re: ** UnhandledExceptionEventHandler :: OFFICIAL LC / CHATTER THREAD **

LL, is it standard to ask for second opinions in PR reviews?

It’s pretty common for us if a reviewer and a committer disagree on something to just ping someone else knowledgeable and ask for their opinion. If that fails you get in a room somewhere for 10-15 minutes and figure it out. If that fails someone appropriate (senior technical person, team lead, ...) just makes the call.

I’m pretty anti just making the change yourself. If everybody just writes the code the way they think it should be done there’ll be a huge mess and a giant waste of everyone’s time.
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Old Today, 07:42 AM   #32957
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** UnhandledExceptionEventHandler :: OFFICIAL LC / CHATTER THREAD **

Blackize, for the record I think Jmakin is coming from a pretty reasonable place wrt candybar.

Not every comment (especially in a LC thread) is an invitation to someone with no context psychoanalyzing you. Maybe he’s just trying to help (although I’m sceptical) but either way it’s a pretty normal social skill to realize when that’s not wanted and let the matter drop.
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Old Today, 08:35 AM   #32958
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Re: ** UnhandledExceptionEventHandler :: OFFICIAL LC / CHATTER THREAD **

Unfortunately there is no more senior person to check on stuff with. I think I've just outgrown this place. Typically when that happens to me I start to feel frustrated that I'm significantly more ambitious than the people around me and it's just time to move on to bigger and better.
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Old Today, 08:56 AM   #32959
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Unfortunately there is no more senior person to check on stuff with. I think I've just outgrown this place. Typically when that happens to me I start to feel frustrated that I'm significantly more ambitious than the people around me and it's just time to move on to bigger and better.
It doesn't need to be a senior person. Just another person is usually enough - someone to say "I agree that consideration X is more important than consideration Y" since most disagreements are just a disagreement about assumptions/relative importance of trade offs.

And on that note I think one of the most valuable skills for doing reviews is figuring out what the trade offs are when you suggest a change to someone else's work. I'll often just ask in a review "Why did you do this?"* and that's kind of a good way for someone to give their rationale before I try to give my rationale for a change I might want to make. I'll also often say something like: "I probably would have done X because of reasons Y, but I'll leave it to you to decide if you want to to leave it as you have it or change".

All that being said, you could be totally right about moving on and finding better co-workers.


* There's a certain amount of personal relationship that needs to be in place for this to work and people to know that its an honest question and not a challenge.
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