So many new terms that get thrown around that I don't know.

SOAP - Isn't this what you use to clean yourself?
Docker - Something to dock on?
Looker - A program to look at stuff?
Thrift files - Some weird file that you can use to generate other programming files.
Smoke test - You blow smoke into your machine and see if it passes
sbt - Scala build tools, which is pretty kewl.
Vagrant - homeless person?

So much learning and I feel like I don't know anything.

Also I got a $25 Amazon gift certificate to decorate our desk. What is something silly I could buy and put on my desk?

I'm amazed at how frequently looker has been coming up lately. We were one of their earliest customers since a bunch of people had worked with the founder. A year or two ago nobody has heard of it. But I've overheard a couple of conversations at lunch recently and now this post... Good for them!

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These are the only ones I (kind of) know out of what you mentioned.

Yeah, we've used looker for a couple of years now too. It's awesome. Support has stayed good too.

SOAP - the thing old people use when they shower, everyone uses bodywash now

Docker - some kinky gay thing you shouldnt google

Looker - old fashioned term for a good looking person

Thrift Files - Cheap files

Smoke test - they offer you a cigarette to see if you're hip

sbt - spicy beef taco

Vagrant - yes, a homeless person

smoke test is pretty obvious:
-Turn it on
-If there's smoke coming from it, you fail.

Literally

I miss Usenet pre-"September that never ended".

I always just used smoke test to mean a super simple test to make sure it is working on the most basic level. Its esp important when collaborating with another company or team and trying to communicate between the 2 services or apis or programs or whatever.

Today I learned how to modify 150k lines of text using four keystrokes in vim.

I am impressed.

dG



done

As much as we all wish XML / SOAP was dead, it isn't.

Even the forward-thinking Amazon is XML... https://developer.amazonservices.com/. You can find the link to complete pdf file if you want.

Docker on the reg.

you'll need "ggdG" if you aren't already on line 1.

but this isn't the best way to flex vim's abs, because any old editor can do "ctrl-A<backspace>"

Well if were going to be nitpicky, ill point out he never said an entire file, so ctrl a isnt the same necessarily. Also vim golf tends to not include a notation that it must beat other text editors. So both these points are fairly moot

Any of you javascript gurus here in Austin looking for a job or know someone who is?
I have a spot for a senior angular/node I'm trying to fill.
Would like 5+ years web and 2+ years javascript.

If I knew someone good, we'd hire him

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Alright buoys and gulls. I now have occasion to solicit this thread for advice.

I am considering two offers right now. One is from a no-nonsense CEO who is super straightforward and is not at all into administrative/HR BS. We hammered out deal that would work for both of us pretty quickly, and I told him I wanted to wait and see how the other interview goes and then evaluate. He was all

The other is with a larger (~300ish) company. My interviews with the engineers went extremely well imo. My first one was with a technical co-founder and I crushed it. I got the feeling that they were all very eager to bring me onboard. I like the team; they seem like very good guys to work with. Their HR/recruiter guy has made it clear that they are going to make an offer. On their formal application, I put down zeros for salary history, and he's continuing to insist that he needs that information and salary expectations in his emails. I have a call scheduled with him this afternoon to discuss terms. So there are a few considerations here. First, I'd like to arrive at a reasonable offer in a non-confrontational way since if I join, I hope to enjoy a good long-term relationship with them. But neither can I stand guys like him who take this approach to recruiting, and since the other offer is already very appealing, I'm not sure I'll be able to resist the temptation to take one for the community and tell him to go pound sand if he keeps trying those hardball car salesman tactics. What's the EV of basically telling him very plainly that I'm not gonna give him a number; we're not moving forward with negotiations until I have an offer letter, vs. just opening with a number that I think would make his offer competitive with Company A? But I'm honestly not sure what that number is, and that range might be pretty wide depending on the results of my soul-searching. Basically, I think I have a fair amount of leverage here, but how do I agreeably press that advantage? I do this maybe once every couple years, while the HR guy does this a few hundred times a year, so I'm kind of outmatched in this department.

Also, does anyone have a good sense of what the junior to mid-level SWE market is like in West LA? Excluding outliers like Google and Snap.

I think you are in a perfect situation to hold your ground, but prepare for a very awkward conversation and a lot of rambling and potentially unprofessional action on his part.

"I totally understand why you are asking my salary history, but I for similar reasons do not wish to provide it, however I really enjoyed meeting with the team and company and am super excited about the position."

"If you are interested in offering me a position, I look forward to you presenting an offer to me, and at that point we can negotiate salary."

Be prepared to have to repeat yourself a lot and say "I totally understand your perspective, however I wish to start with a number from your side and then discuss. If you are unable to do that, it is quite unfortunate because I'm really excited about this opportunity."

I think if he starts to get very unprofessional about it, you should say "I want to be clear, I really appreciate your perspective on this, but I've arrived at this decision based on a lot of research and thoughtfulness, and I hope you can respect that." If he tries to get into an argument with you or counter your logic, you can say "I appreciate your thoroughness, but this isn't something I'm looking to debate with you, I'm hoping if you are as excited about me as I am about you, then you can make me an offer."

If you do hold your ground here and emerge successfully I will be very excited to hear about it.

I mean if they really want to play hardball can't you just jump to step two and tell them you already have an offer for $x

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Yea I was thinking that too, but seems like he would rather not say that maybe.

Why doesn't the HR guy just call his previous company, isn't that like the only legit reason companies can call anymore?

Company A is "let's get **** done," respects the fact that you have other possibilities on the table, and gave you a firm offer.

Company B is all processes, playing hardball, and won't budge unless you state your income, completely missing the fact that you are apparently either a) not from Los Angeles or b) worked at a muck-raking job that isn't relevant to the field. They are also implicitly threatening to drop the deal if you don't play into their politics.

What is the delta you need to walk into a company that is apparently more bull**** than the other?

IRT pay: everything in Los Angeles is high floor / low ceiling.

I wouldn't necessarily say that Company B itself is "more bull****" because it's not a sentient entity. They assigned the role of recruiting employees to a guy who sees his job as negotiating the lowest salary he can offer and still get people to sign. And the rest of the team probably just shrugs and figures that's all part of the hazing ritual that everyone else went through, if they even think about it at all. So I just need a plan for navigating this mini-boss.

I figured I'd play that card after they made an offer and it was too low.